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Old 06-23-2017, 10:16 PM   #26
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Re: AQo on monotone flop, help?

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It doesn't matter what player type villain is, it folds hands you beat and has him calling hands hero loses to. And defending blinds with that short stack is not a mistake, if played right you can easily check jam good flops and get the money in on favourable flops.

And even if you jam here, all you are doing is losing equity in the hand. Because villians check/jamming range is much weaker than his jam calling range for 2/3 the pot.
meh maybe it'd be more profitable to bet small, call any jam and shove any turn brick. I still don't agree with you that worse hands will check call a flop jam, but will check raise a bet with worse, but I do understand why you think that. Maybe it's because I've only played the lowest limits for a very long time and have kind of adapted plays like these based off player type. My first step thinking in this position is; no way he flopped the flush HU, I'm usually ahead here and I should jam to win the now dead money, and I should dangle the stick in front of fishier types with single heart hands who might be willing to get it in bad. I think this is probably a fishy way of looking at this situation and maybe I've been lucky in the past in this spot but idk. I think that in a game where most of the players play with their guts, it'd be very hard for a short stack to check fold hands like QcXh, Ah8x, lower pocket pairs with one being hearts on this flop.

I'll stick with my more conservative option of betting flop, calling any jam and gii on brick turn. I also fully believe that hero betting 3x pre could have ended the hand, instead of giving villain really good odds to call.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:48 PM   #27
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Re: AQo on monotone flop, help?

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meh maybe it'd be more profitable to bet small, call any jam and shove any turn brick. I still don't agree with you that worse hands will check call a flop jam, but will check raise a bet with worse, but I do understand why you think that. Maybe it's because I've only played the lowest limits for a very long time and have kind of adapted plays like these based off player type. My first step thinking in this position is; no way he flopped the flush HU, I'm usually ahead here and I should jam to win the now dead money, and I should dangle the stick in front of fishier types with single heart hands who might be willing to get it in bad. I think this is probably a fishy way of looking at this situation and maybe I've been lucky in the past in this spot but idk. I think that in a game where most of the players play with their guts, it'd be very hard for a short stack to check fold hands like QcXh, Ah8x, lower pocket pairs with one being hearts on this flop.

I'll stick with my more conservative option of betting flop, calling any jam and gii on brick turn. I also fully believe that hero betting 3x pre could have ended the hand, instead of giving villain really good odds to call.
Not trying to be a dick here, but it is hard to give you any credibility when you are saying stuff like "no way he flopped the flush HU" and keep referencing player types about +EV situations.
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Old 06-24-2017, 03:20 PM   #28
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Not trying to be a dick here, but it is hard to give you any credibility when you are saying stuff like "no way he flopped the flush HU" and keep referencing player types about +EV situations.
No worries, not trying to be a dick either but it was always hard to take you seriously since you answered 'who 3xs utg with 30 bbs', but we are in the low stakes section of an ok forum. TBH my best friend is a pro player that is a thousand times better than both of us and anytime I run into spots like this I just ask him. I sent him the link to this thread and he just says meh bet small jam any brick. I'm def new, only been playing for a year and a half and seriously playing for the couple months. Here's my drive stats just to lyk I'm an actual winner in small stakes.

http://imgur.com/a/FLE3E

FYI my actual earnings exceed four hundred the last two months, I just ****ed up with drive and didn't know to input the winnings so i track profits with a BR app, but thats my hand history.
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Old 06-24-2017, 03:52 PM   #29
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Re: AQo on monotone flop, help?

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No worries, not trying to be a dick either but it was always hard to take you seriously since you answered 'who 3xs utg with 30 bbs', but we are in the low stakes section of an ok forum. TBH my best friend is a pro player that is a thousand times better than both of us and anytime I run into spots like this I just ask him. I sent him the link to this thread and he just says meh bet small jam any brick. I'm def new, only been playing for a year and a half and seriously playing for the couple months. Here's my drive stats just to lyk I'm an actual winner in small stakes.

http://imgur.com/a/FLE3E

FYI my actual earnings exceed four hundred the last two months, I just ****ed up with drive and didn't know to input the winnings so i track profits with a BR app, but thats my hand history.
Please stop
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Old 06-26-2017, 07:45 AM   #30
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Re: AQo on monotone flop, help?

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No worries, not trying to be a dick either but it was always hard to take you seriously since you answered 'who 3xs utg with 30 bbs', but we are in the low stakes section of an ok forum. TBH my best friend is a pro player that is a thousand times better than both of us and anytime I run into spots like this I just ask him. I sent him the link to this thread and he just says meh bet small jam any brick. I'm def new, only been playing for a year and a half and seriously playing for the couple months. Here's my drive stats just to lyk I'm an actual winner in small stakes.

http://imgur.com/a/FLE3E

FYI my actual earnings exceed four hundred the last two months, I just ****ed up with drive and didn't know to input the winnings so i track profits with a BR app, but thats my hand history.
If u want to track results opt into Sharkscope
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Old 06-27-2017, 02:14 PM   #31
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Re: AQo on monotone flop, help?

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I'll stick with my more conservative option of betting flop, calling any jam and gii on brick turn. I also fully believe that hero betting 3x pre could have ended the hand, instead of giving villain really good odds to call.
Why do we want to end the hand preflop? If that's the goal why are we not just shipping?
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:39 PM   #32
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Re: AQo on monotone flop, help?

Pot on flop is roughly 25k, he has 50k left.

Possibilities:

1. He flopped a flush or set - Don't see how you escape unless a heart hits on 4th or 5th street. Checking is superior in this scenario.
2. He has 1 heart and it's a good one - betting > check
3. He has no hearts, but hit a weaker Q - betting gets his stack.
4. He has air with a weak heart - Betting is likely to get a fold
5. He has air with no heart - Debatable, but betting will keep him from bluffing here on the turn.

Basically, in any scenario but the one where he just flopped the nuts, betting is generating the best outcome.

I would bet 20k and call a jam. If he flats, jam all non-heart turns and check/fold the heart turn.
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Old 06-30-2017, 04:46 AM   #33
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Re: AQo on monotone flop, help?

Grunch:

We should be betting when we can either get better hands to fold or worse hands to call. So given Villain's range, can we accomplish either of these?

We have TPTK here, so getting a better hand to fold is simply out of the question.

Will worse hands call (or raise)? Absolutely. If Villain has an A of hearts, they're continuining. Worse Qs will continue as well. We might even get lucky and get to call when a hand like J9 shoves on us.

Villain has 50k left and is playing in a pot that is approximately 25k. I think the best line here is a bet , planning to call a check/raise and/or jam all turn bricks.

I think a bet close to half pot is most reasonable here. That makes our flop bet about 12k leaving 38k left on the turn for a jam.
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