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Originally Posted by killer_kill
No one is folding leaving themselves back that amount ever, ever in a non-sattelite/DoN format (etc). I guess you could say that it allows you to not get isolated as easily since the minraise is based on the near jam. But I can't imagine it's ever worth to fold getting those pot odds.
I have seen it from some really good players, at least on the live scene. There was a couple year period 2018-2019 where I saw it fairly regularly from regs and recall seeing a strategy article somewhere talking about it.
It is kinda funny watching someone struggle in that spot with like Khi when they get shoved on.
If you are bluffing with no sd value, IE 6hi, 7hi, 8hi type hands would you really call to make sure they arent bluffing with worse? Even getting 100:1 or more?
But yes, the fact that you have to end up calling off kind of defeats the purpose of it, which is why I dont really see it anymore. It was just a super exploitative idea that loses value if you ever fold a winner. But if villain responds by overbluffing, (and one or two bluff combos too many can be a serious overbluff in a spot like this) then it makes a ton of money.
Its one of those high upside vs bad adjustments and low downside (1bb of value sometimes) exploits that is basically breakeven vs proper play. Which is why I have only seen it on the regional live circuit, rarely if ever online.
Side note.. I have considered including this in my PKO strategy for river all ins. But it just seems like too much complications and not enough value.
Last edited by ledn; 06-15-2021 at 09:21 AM.