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AKs vs cold 4b 60bb deep AKs vs cold 4b 60bb deep

11-01-2020 , 10:39 AM
Hero is 4/343, 108pd. MP villain (60bb) has low pfr but it's only 26 hands. No other reads on V.

Yatahay Network - 600/1200 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 59.78 BB (15/4 26hands)
Hero (MP+1): 100.56 BB
MP+2: 39.1 BB
CO: 19.84 BB
BTN: 34.25 BB
SB: 13.62 BB
BB: 35.42 BB
UTG: 43.79 BB (23/17 43 hands)
UTG+1: 11.24 BB (23/23 26 hands)

9 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.59 BB) Hero has A K

UTG raises to 2 BB, UTG+1 raises to 11.12 BB and is all-in, MP raises to 20.24 BB, Hero???

My inclination here is to jam, but should I be folding to avoid the variance when I'm already one of the biggest stacks?
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11-01-2020 , 01:51 PM
Think this is a fold - MP is clearly ready to gii for 60BB so I doubt they have a hand we are ahead of
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11-01-2020 , 02:42 PM
Not folding
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11-01-2020 , 08:11 PM
Easy fold...Not good vs this guy. With the big stack. And this matters the most. You are with big stack, but just keep this advantage. For the later stage.
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11-01-2020 , 09:23 PM
I'm taking every +cEV spot 235 people from the money.

What do we roughly range MP at?
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11-02-2020 , 09:49 AM
Idk. You block KK+ and neither UTG's nor UTG+1's action indicates a big hand, so unless you have serious evidence that MP's the Rock of Gibraltar and his min 3! screams KK+, you're too far from the money to get timid with AKs.

I lean toward shoving and making MP the one with the hard decision.
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11-02-2020 , 03:16 PM
Thanks all for the comments -- I'm happy to see some disagreements with this one, as I'm still not sure I played it right.

Here was my thinking: If it's JJ+ AQs+ AKo, I think it's an easy jam. But in a $6 MTT, this cold 4b with a lot of Vs will be QQ+ AKo at worst. And once V commits a third of his stack with the 4-bet, I don't think I have much, if any, fold equity.

In game, I jammed, and V called it off w/ QQ. UTG1 had AKo, but I got lucky to hit one of the remaining Ks, stacking main villain.

I'm still left wondering if I need to be taking the flip there (hence starting this thread)
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11-02-2020 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pucks32

Here was my thinking: If it's JJ+ AQs+ AKo, I think it's an easy jam.
but even if we put V on this range - we are behind 55-45 so the side pot is -EV and even with the main pot we're just about breaking even - giving UTG+1 a 10% range (77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo), we're about 32% assuming OR is folding so no value there.

I'm assuming no fold equity but V having put 1/3 of stack in I think this is right
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11-02-2020 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pucks32
Thanks all for the comments -- I'm happy to see some disagreements with this one, as I'm still not sure I played it right.

Here was my thinking: If it's JJ+ AQs+ AKo, I think it's an easy jam. But in a $6 MTT, this cold 4b with a lot of Vs will be QQ+ AKo at worst. And once V commits a third of his stack with the 4-bet, I don't think I have much, if any, fold equity.

In game, I jammed, and V called it off w/ QQ. UTG1 had AKo, but I got lucky to hit one of the remaining Ks, stacking main villain.

I'm still left wondering if I need to be taking the flip there (hence starting this thread)
If their 4b range is JJ+ etc then their calling range will be even tighter with little disparity. In which case you should fold.
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11-02-2020 , 11:47 PM
It's not a true cold 4 Bet when the guy jamming has 10BB and doesn't have the option to flat. I'd range 4 better a lot wider then JJ + more like 7s, AJ suited plus. He's essentially just reisolating.
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11-03-2020 , 08:57 AM
I don't think that he would ever be wide here, with the big stacks and most of the table left to play.
I'd love the variance, but risking the ability to put pressure for a long period of time ( your stack will be really useful the next orbits ) is a risk I don't like to lose.

He is 4betting JJ+ AK for sure. You block KK+ but if he has a tighter range that would be a lot of his range (and vs the rest you are flipping or chopping)
Even if he puts AQ or TT+ in his range the tradeoff is not good for yourself. Getting back to 40bb stack will be bad.

Fold and preserve your stack
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11-03-2020 , 01:28 PM
Your wrong in a $6 mtt villians can show up with all sorts of crap. I play them all the time, I can show you hands in this exact scenario where villains show up with nonsense. Sure if villian is a winning reg maybe we can find some sort of hero fold. Otherwise its a fist pump get it in here.

Last edited by Colin_Piddle; 11-03-2020 at 01:37 PM.
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11-03-2020 , 11:23 PM
I didn't see middle guy was all in. That does spice this spot up a bit. It's hard to say but I (personally) prefer to play a protocol and not assume someone might do x or y besides maaaaybe adding in a small chance they do (assuming no reads of course. I used to do this too where I projected my experiences rather than just a solid foundation that beats most people and gets exploited by the outliers (IE a spazzy player or an ultra rock). Sometimes I play balanced and they aren't and I look silly. Then I note it and move on. But I think it's fair to say that a micro/small stakes player is likely out of balance and would be ok with slight offsets to my range.

Looking back given the 2nd guy is all in I'm prob gonna take the spot and clench.
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11-04-2020 , 03:10 AM
This back and forth is exactly what I was wrestling with while deciding here. It's a weird spot for sure -- and agree some villains show up with QQ+ and others spazz with all kinds of things. His stats certainly aren't reg so maybe shove and hold your breath is the right play. Thanks all for the feedback, it's helpful.
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