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AK vs CO 3BET (Are we happen to get it in here?) AK vs CO 3BET (Are we happen to get it in here?)

07-25-2018 , 04:59 AM
No Limit Hold'em Tournament T1,000/T2,000
Buy-in: $4.90+$0.60 USD Hold'em No Limit
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8 players
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Stacks:
UTG - Hero (T177,282)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T88,165)
MP - MP (T48,517)
MP2 - MP2 (T159,298)
CO - CO (T146,755)
BTN - BTN (T130,688)
SB - SB (T157,576)
BB - BB (T73,031)

Preflop: (T5,000, 8 players) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to T5,500, 3 folds, CO raises to T18,000, 3 folds, Hero raises to T56,500, CO raises to T146,505 (all-in), Hero calls T90,005

Flop: 3 2 6 (T298,010, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: T (T298,010, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 6 (T298,010, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Total Pot: T298,010
Hero shows K A (a pair of Sixes)
CO shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Sixes)

CO wins T298,010

IN ADDITION OVER A SAMPLE OF 59 HANDS VILLAIN HAD STATS OF 17/12.
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07-25-2018 , 05:01 AM
We block KK and AA, in this spot are we just flatting the 3-Bet OOP or is the 4-bet fine here. We get all the chips when we hit an A or K and its unlikely that we are beat so is this play fine when we are 88 BB deep?
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07-25-2018 , 05:04 AM
73bb deep i don't really fancy getting it all in with AKo. At best you have a flip. Call the 3b and see if you hit TP on flop. Might get paid off by worse A or even KQ.
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07-25-2018 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief_h
73bb deep i don't really fancy getting it all in with AKo. At best you have a flip. Call the 3b and see if you hit TP on flop. Might get paid off by worse A or even KQ.
Yeah this is the line I thought would've been the best with AK OOP. I think I made a big mistake with this hand. Also, I thought the big 4-Bet UTG would've turn into a fold based on my stats 23/17. But, ill learn from this the next time I get in a spot like this.
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07-25-2018 , 07:22 AM
hi,

yes, only rip in 73 bigs pre if villain is a confirmend maniac. I am surprised he only got QQ. just flat the 3bet.
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07-25-2018 , 10:06 AM
The issue here is position - he's not going to be 3-betting wide against your UTG open, so your 4b is not going to get any folds. If he's 3-betting a range of JJ+/AKs/AK, you're a 40% dog.

So I would call the 3b and hope to hit A/K on the flop and x/f if I don't.
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07-25-2018 , 05:03 PM
When you analyze spots like this, you should really analyze it in view of your whole range.

Here is how I would analyze it according to my open range. My open range is about 10% from EP here. (22+, AJs+, AQ+, and suited connectors 98s+ as my polarized balanced range. Sometimes I might use a linear balance, but that shouldn't affect the mathematical outcome of this analysis.)

Then the CO 3 bets 18k to win 10.5k. My minimum defense frequency is 37%, or the top 3.7% of hands. That comes out to TT+, AQs, and AK. The CO range should be fairly tight here. Our value 4bet range is AA/KK.

Now from the rest of the range we have to choose our 4 bet bluff range and our call range. In general, you should 4 bet the top of your range and cull your bluff range from the bottom and use the hands in the middle as the call range.

So with a 4 bet to 56.5K, you are betting 51k to win 28.5k. So your balance frequency for bluffs should be 65% the size of the value range, or about another 4 hands. (AA/KK are 6 hands total).

The bluff candidates at the bottom of the range are either TT or AQs. I think I prefer AQs due the blockers and the outs against KK/QQ/JJ if your opponent happens to have them.

So my range in response to the 3 bet is this: Value 4bet: AA/KK; Call: QQ - TT, AK; and 4bet bluff: AQs.

Then I would call off with AA/KK to the 5bet shove.
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07-25-2018 , 11:37 PM
Less preflop, his 3b size is massive too. Could just flat it but I think 4b is still fine since we can get value from worse still.
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07-26-2018 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jjpregler
When you analyze spots like this, you should really analyze it in view of your whole range.

Here is how I would analyze it according to my open range. My open range is about 10% from EP here. (22+, AJs+, AQ+, and suited connectors 98s+ as my polarized balanced range. Sometimes I might use a linear balance, but that shouldn't affect the mathematical outcome of this analysis.)

Then the CO 3 bets 18k to win 10.5k. My minimum defense frequency is 37%, or the top 3.7% of hands. That comes out to TT+, AQs, and AK. The CO range should be fairly tight here. Our value 4bet range is AA/KK.

Now from the rest of the range we have to choose our 4 bet bluff range and our call range. In general, you should 4 bet the top of your range and cull your bluff range from the bottom and use the hands in the middle as the call range.

So with a 4 bet to 56.5K, you are betting 51k to win 28.5k. So your balance frequency for bluffs should be 65% the size of the value range, or about another 4 hands. (AA/KK are 6 hands total).

The bluff candidates at the bottom of the range are either TT or AQs. I think I prefer AQs due the blockers and the outs against KK/QQ/JJ if your opponent happens to have them.

So my range in response to the 3 bet is this: Value 4bet: AA/KK; Call: QQ - TT, AK; and 4bet bluff: AQs.

Then I would call off with AA/KK to the 5bet shove.
How did you come up with a mdf of 37%?

Amazing analysis but I can't imagine ever getting to a point where I can think through a hand that mathematically.
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07-26-2018 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
How did you come up with a mdf of 37%?

Amazing analysis but I can't imagine ever getting to a point where I can think through a hand that mathematically.
MDF formula is p/(b + P), where p = pot size before the bet and b = bet size.

10.5/(18 + 10.5) = 0.368

And, I can't think through all this math while playing at the table. I spend the time studying at home so I have general ideas on what my ranges should look like at the table.
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07-26-2018 , 01:32 PM
you can either flat here or 4bet GII like you did. i think this is villain dependent. 4bet/folding is gonna be burning money IMO... i lean towards flatting this when we're deep. if we're a bit shallower and can 4bet shove here which is a lot better
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