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AJo in 4 way pot AJo in 4 way pot

08-11-2018 , 05:22 PM
Thoughts on this?

I'll give my thoughts and results later.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 60/120 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG+1): 132.38 BB
MP: 86.97 BB (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP+1: 60.75 BB (VPIP: 68.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 16)
MP+2: 106.51 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
CO: 89.38 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BTN: 110.84 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: 56.51 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BB: 114.01 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
UTG: 275.1 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has A J

fold, Hero raises to 2.7 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 2.7 BB, MP+2 calls 2.7 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.7 BB

Flop: (12.2 BB, 4 players) 6 A 2
BB checks, Hero bets 9.15 BB, MP+1 raises to 18.3 BB, fold, fold, [color=red]Hero ???
AJo in 4 way pot Quote
08-11-2018 , 08:00 PM
I'm out. 4 ways, he has to have the set

Also, I bet lower on the flop as I don't assume to get paid by anything weaker than me at this sizing; yet it could be just me out-leveling myself and assuming the field to be more competent than they are
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08-12-2018 , 10:01 AM
bet smaller otf with your whole range. 1/3 of the pot seems fine. Depends on the buy in what I would do. If it is a 1$ tourney i'm all in. If it is a 20+ buy in i'm instamucking. But in general I'd just muck it. I mean who bluffraises on a62 rainbow board...
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08-12-2018 , 11:09 AM
Consider checking flop.

Given the position of the raiser I'd normally be inclined to fold, you share the burden of defense with the players yet to act therefore he cannot recklessly bluff here profitably and this is the bottom of your value cbet range. However the vill has vpip'ed 68 and it's a click back.

Because I think he's likely so bad that he may be overvaluing worse, A9 for instance, I'd peel one. He may be prepared to check down later streets in that case esp if the board gets scary. If you think he is far more likely to be bluffing than overvaluing worse you may be better off folding now.
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08-12-2018 , 11:09 AM
what is it with c-bet sizing? Why is it so big? Weaker pairs and aces are not gonna pay and stronger hands will def call..or raise..even though raise with set is stupid here as well.
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08-13-2018 , 12:14 AM
We open ep and cbet this flop. Too dry to continue vs raise, V isn't doing this with AT and there's no semi-bluffs. Board is one everybody bluffs too infrequently on if not like ever.

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08-13-2018 , 11:30 PM
Here's the full hand history. I actually felt that I was getting reraised here pretty light because of previous hands that I had seen already. Also, this is ACR and you see some crazy stuff in a $10 MTT.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 60/120 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG+1): 132.38 BB
MP: 86.97 BB (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP+1: 60.75 BB (VPIP: 68.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 16)
MP+2: 106.51 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
CO: 89.38 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BTN: 110.84 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: 56.51 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BB: 114.01 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
UTG: 275.1 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has A J

fold, Hero raises to 2.7 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 2.7 BB, MP+2 calls 2.7 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.7 BB

Flop: (12.2 BB, 4 players) 6 A 2
BB checks, Hero bets 9.15 BB, MP+1 raises to 18.3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 67.1 BB, MP+1 calls 39.65 BB and is all-in

Turn: (128.1 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (128.1 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero shows A J (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 64%, Flop 82%, Turn 89%)
MP+1 shows 6 8 (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 36%, Flop 18%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 128.1 BB
AJo in 4 way pot Quote
08-14-2018 , 05:02 AM
You need a read that V is a maniac to do this - if you had one nh - but without a read size the c bet smaller and fold to a raise
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08-15-2018 , 02:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldgoat
You need a read that V is a maniac to do this - if you had one nh - but without a read size the c bet smaller and fold to a raise
I most certainly had a read/feel that he was 3betting light but I never expected to be called with such a weak holding as what V had here. I also saw V showdown some fairly weak hands that seemed to always get there.
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08-15-2018 , 04:29 PM
As everyone said, c-bet should be smaller, ~ 1/3.

Why is everyone suggesting a snap fold once he gets min raised? I definitely think that this deep you can see a turn card. Obviously he's posted the hand history and we see what the vill shows up with, but crazy **** happens in these smaller buy in tournaments. If you're going to fold aj on this dry of a board this deep to a min raise then that's easy exploitation for the fishies . Just a thought.
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