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AJ vs fish on Jxx, turn K AJ vs fish on Jxx, turn K

06-18-2018 , 08:15 PM
9max $10 1K, mid stages

MP (Hero) 35bb AJ
HJ 85bb

Hero raises to 2.2bb
HJ calls 2.2bb

Flop: J96 5.9bb
Hero bets 4bb
HJ calls 4bb

Turn: K 13.9bb
Hero ?
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06-18-2018 , 10:31 PM
Sorry, I posted this in a bit of a hurry. I don't have stats, but this player was pretty much playing every hand. It was pretty remarkable to be totally honest. In the hand, I check/called oTF, which I feel turns my hand face up if villain decides to bluff. Is it better to barrel this turn and check with the intention of folding oTR?
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06-19-2018 , 06:39 AM
as you say that guy was playng every hand.he can continue payng you with many hands like JT,9J,JQ,78,89,9T,AQ,Q9,QT,JK,KA.you are losing a few hands hear so you can continue betting 6,5BBs or so on turn.
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06-19-2018 , 03:14 PM
So is the plan bet, bet turn and river? Or bet and check/fold? I ended up check/calling ott, and check folding otr where he bet about 3/4 his remaining stack (weird fishy bet). Check/calling ott put me in a pretty bad spot.. Should this be played the same way vs a reg?
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06-19-2018 , 03:29 PM
you gonna continue representing even with K in river because he make the calls probably in turn with possibles draws.maybe you can bet 4.5 turn and 5.0 river against a aggro he goona fold if was just a draw.i say that you need continue represent you hand because if you check turn he can see weakness and take you out of the hand with his stack.
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06-19-2018 , 04:19 PM
Less on the flop, c/c turn.
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06-19-2018 , 06:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by killer_kill
Less on the flop, c/c turn.
Why less? V is a fish Doesn't x/c the T turn our hand face up?
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06-19-2018 , 06:59 PM
No we should prob check most of our range on the turn. Less because he's aggro and we wanna price him into calling too much.
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06-20-2018 , 07:20 PM
I actually don't know how agro/spewy he was playing in position, just that he was playing super loose/passive pre. If playing vs a decent reg, are we typically intending to x/c ott and x/f this particular hand otr? It's just hard to see what this guy could be betting turn and river, since his range is super wide and he flatted the flop.

When I was learning, one of the things most online guides taught were that you should barrel overcards ott if you're bluffing. I know there are different nuances (though I'm still learning), but then what should we be checking here? Or is this spot v dependent? (ie, if we're 2 barreling some bluffs because the K is good for our range overall, what should we be betting for value vs checking?)
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06-20-2018 , 09:14 PM
Sorry conflated reads from a diff thread cause I'm a dum dum.

It's ok to c/c turn with these hands cause we don't allow him to just float a bunch. We wanna check turn with hands that have showdown that bet flop so like QQ/AJ etc. We can barrel hands like 89dd KQhh sets etc. We can double barrel hands that likely are ahead of his range that have backdoor equity like AQdd and things like that.
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06-21-2018 , 06:33 AM
what's the stack size of V and Hero?
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06-21-2018 , 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldFishshark
Why less? V is a fish Doesn't x/c the T turn our hand face up?
Question is, what's he going to do about it?

Some hands you will check/fold, some you will check/call once, others you will check/call twice. Hands you select for those buckets can be adjusted based on villain tendencies and board runout.

You will be well protected against any strategy a fish can muster.
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06-21-2018 , 10:30 AM
Keep your cb sizing consistent, smaller because we bet this with our entire range

turn is a c/c because QT,K9,KJ all get there and we can induce bets from v when he holds worse
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06-21-2018 , 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cizixap
what's the stack size of V and Hero?
Hero is 35bb, v is 85bb
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06-21-2018 , 03:43 PM
Okay I think I understand pretty well now, thanks everyone. I get blown off a lot of hands after checking on this site.. if you check, whoever's in position will pretty much always bet, usually both streets. I've had to adjust my x/c range and have even seen things like v firing 3 barrels w/ K7s, no draw, etc. V just has so much spew, I really didn't want to allow him to make profitable barrels.

So anyway, what I'm gathering is it's fine/not exploitable to let this go otr to another barrel (even though we suspect v has a lot of random air), we just have to balance our x/c range for the turn and the river. I think mainly this hand bothered me because otf I was in such great shape vs the fish, and at the end was left more or less crippled.
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06-21-2018 , 05:45 PM
Yeah we wanna throw some mid strength hands in our c/c range (we don't need a lot) to protect when we cbet air and need to check turn. Same with if we have TT or AQhh. Checking medium hands is like bluffing to let our value hands on river not get exploited. So we bluff like a smaller % just like we check stronger hands a small non 0 % of the time.
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