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07-11-2019 , 02:32 AM
$500 Guaranteed $3(1R1A) - Final Table

No hands on villain. First hand of the FT.

Blinds 1k/2k

Hero:58k

SB: 60k

Hero is in BB with AdJs.

Folds around to SB who completes.

Hero raises to 5555.

SB Calls

Flop is 6c Jh 8h ($12,510)

SB Checks

Hero bets 6666

SB Calls

Turn is 8d ($25,842)

SB Checks

Hero bets 11,000

SB Raises to 29,421 (19,151 behind)

Hero ???


Should I bet more OTT?
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07-11-2019 , 12:22 PM
What is villain's range after calling the flop?
Why you bet the turn? From what hands you want to get value?
How the 8d changes the equity of both players?

You forgot to include payouts ( icm) and stack sizes of all players. How many players are in the table at the moment.

Do some work yourself, bro... Laziness will get bad and poor responses.
Poker is a game of information and without it it is difficult to analyze properly.

Cheers ��
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07-11-2019 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pouled
What is villain's range after calling the flop?
Why you bet the turn? From what hands you want to get value?
How the 8d changes the equity of both players?

You forgot to include payouts ( icm) and stack sizes of all players. How many players are in the table at the moment.

Do some work yourself, bro... Laziness will get bad and poor responses.
Poker is a game of information and without it it is difficult to analyze properly.

Cheers ��
Thought i did a decent job without a hand converter, but whatever. I've seen a lot worse formatting on the forum than this, but I'll be sure to go over the top the next hand I post so it pleases you.
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07-11-2019 , 09:20 PM
Check back turn, the 8 coming ott is much better for his range and helps him more than us because he can have more 8x than us. When you bet turn you essentially say 'that card helps my range more than yours' which is not the case here this is why you will usually see good players barrel ace run outs as OR.

We can usually call most rivers when we x turn given there is a fd and x3 oesd available and we don't have blockers for either, sometimes he might also vb a worse hand otr too

Last edited by wowsooooted; 07-11-2019 at 09:27 PM.
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07-12-2019 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
Check back turn, the 8 coming ott is much better for his range and helps him more than us because he can have more 8x than us. When you bet turn you essentially say 'that card helps my range more than yours' which is not the case here this is why you will usually see good players barrel ace run outs as OR.

We can usually call most rivers when we x turn given there is a fd and x3 oesd available and we don't have blockers for either, sometimes he might also vb a worse hand otr too
What 8s are in his range here?
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07-12-2019 , 05:28 AM
I was trying to OP to reach this conclusion for himself
The 8 on the turn is a bad card for your range and need to be checked to pot control.
You can call a river bet easily.

You did an ok job posting the hand, but when it's an FT you need to add stack sizes of all.players and payouts because it alters the ranges of all.players in the table. In this hand probably doesn't change much but in other spots, the analysis differs a lot
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07-12-2019 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by IMissYouPS
What 8s are in his range here?
After the limp he has a bunch of 8x but probably fold the worst ones with the raise.

A8o A8s K8s K8o (not 100%) Q8s J8s J8o T8s 98s 98o T8o ( not 100%) 87s 87o

You can have... 88 A8s A8o (not 100%) 98s? 87s?
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07-12-2019 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Pouled
After the limp he has a bunch of 8x but probably fold the worst ones with the raise.

A8o A8s K8s K8o (not 100%) Q8s J8s J8o T8s 98s 98o T8o ( not 100%) 87s 87o

You can have... 88 A8s A8o (not 100%) 98s? 87s?
I figured only A8 would have been in his range, and I had an A blocker, so I figured I was ahead. Do you think Q8-98s would still be in his range after the raise due to our stack sizes being so deep?
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07-12-2019 , 06:33 PM
Its difficult to say and in the end its only an assumption. You didn't include stacks sizes of all players. I assume it's 9 handed
He has to call 2.5k to win 12.5k, the odds are great. But you have to know that he has more 8x than you (for sure)

Then, the first mistake is preflop. Raising 2.5bb after SB limp its bad if you don't have a good strategy BvB. More correct is to raise 3x or bigger. Never raise 2x or 2.5x because people (good players) will not fold a single hand from his limping range ( maybe the bottom bottom parts of his range)
SPR after the flop is around 5 and it's FT, so we have to assume that villain is a capable player and is defending properly his range
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