Hi guys

I know this is not gonna be the sexiest post around here but some help needed nevertheless

So here i go

My calling range vs a reg here vs 3.5 size 3bet size should be like this:

22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, AJo+, KJo+, QJo

Please lets not discuss if this calling range is good or bad, lets suppose it´s good....

Now the issue: As i am facing a bigger raise...what are the first combos i have to "discount" from my original range?

I guess that, being this deep, the first ones should be the off suited ones but i dont know if i am right

And about the suited ones..which ones do we discard first?

[converted_hand][hand_history]PokerStars - 300/600 Ante 75 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

Hero (BTN): 86,130 (143.6 bb)
SB: 37,283 (62.1 bb)
BB: 52,260 (87.1 bb)
UTG: 31,861 (53.1 bb)
CO: 92,453 (154.1 bb)

5 players post ante of 75, SB posts 300, BB posts 600

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,275) Hero has 9 J
2 folds, Hero raises to 1,440, SB raises to 6,336,

It depends how you expect them to construct their range with bigger sizes vs "normal" sizes and stack depth obv. But let's say with approx 60 blinds if they're going bigger I would assume they just have a more polarized range. So with that in mind I'd be folding more of the bottom pairs and stuff that's dominated like QJo. People generally play pretty straight forward in 3bet pots so I'm ok just taking bigger=value so I def want removal, 4b hands flatting sometimes and also some small % of implied odd hands. Remove ATo and flat some AQs hands to call a bit more vs bigger sizes etc.

Too much info in 3 lines, lets try to digest this....

1) If villain is 3betting more polarized (i think i agree with that)..why are we folding (small) pocket pairs? Are we not looking for that dream scenario when our small pp cracks his aces? I mean, doesnt we have huge IO here?

2) Ok, i understand folding dominated hands (like QJo or ATo), easy enough

3) Now my main issue here: i understand folding some sc´s...but question is...
...of all of them (our range is full of this hands) do we prefer folding lower sc´s (54s to 78s) or (QTs, J9s - like one gapper broadway hands)? I dont want to write a long post but i can see "merits" in both hands..as long as we are facing some big overpairs OR some 3bet/bluffs i suppose it´s better to call w J9s as they perform better vs that polarized range?

I mean we dominate his 76s, 87s 3bet/bluff and we perform better vs AA or KK right? I say this on intuition, not with any math support haha

Damn, at the end the post was long

1. Sure but they tend to be dominated more often and unable to defend many flops (giving up too much on flops when most villains don't properly double barrel, so we're facing the flop bet but not able to properly defend since our range is weaker). In a tournament since we can't reload when we miss our set we have to be mindful and also fold the bottom parts of our ranges.

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3. So think of it like how does each perform and what is in villain's range. So we know that villain likely will be 3b value in the SB and maybe some steals but this is a 10.5x sb 3b. So you're since it's bigger and we're IP I'd be ok flatting more of the blocker stuff and less SC than normal because stacks are shorter and we're more ok getting one pair in on the flop with shorter stacks. I'm skeptical that villain is taking this size with 76s/78s tbh but I may be wrong. I think they'd pick a slightly smaller size.

Oh yeah i see your point with 70-50 BB stack size....


It would be nice to know how to react when we are really deep (like +150 BB)...i suppose now we call with our ENTIRE sc´s range even vs some bigger 3bets like in the hand above

Some work off the tables now to try to digest this stuff....

I worked at a nice golf course like 10 years ago or w/e. I asked one of the members why they were ALWAYS putting while everyone else spent most of their time at the driving range. He said you should always practice what you do the most often. So since you're mostly putting it's best to practice that.

With that being said I wouldn't worry about being 3b ultra deep. It's a pretty rare situation. You should be running 30bb solves for BTN vs BB etc or studying shove ranges etc.

Hahaha it looks like good advice, thanks man