Early in a $3.30 zoom turbo PKO deepstack on Stars.

PokerStars - 60/120 Ante 15 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 82.08 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
Hero (SB): 234.82 BB
BB: 86.73 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
UTG: 131.96 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG+1: 164.68 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 139.83 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP+1: 90.15 BB
MP+2: 223.99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 82 BB

9 players post ante of 0 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.62 BB) Hero has A A

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4.07 BB, BB calls 3.07 BB, UTG+1 calls 3.07 BB, MP+1 calls 3.07 BB

Flop: (17.39 BB, 4 players) K 9 3
Hero bets 8.7 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 8.7 BB, fold

Turn: (34.79 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River: (68.79 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 34 BB, Hero ???

Thoughts on earlier streets?
How about the river decision?

i would bet OTT, then grimace and fold to his raise.

Probably should bet the turn for value, he can't have many Kx in his range given his preflop limp in early position.

^^ yeah, there are some sooted Kx, but it's small part of his limping range. Also, there are two spades on the board and we might want to protect against fd..Sometimes he has a king though, but its' inevitable.

I like a bigger sizing pre. Playing so deep and facing a limp I think you can make it closer to 5x. OTF I like more of a 1/3 sizing. I think I'm check calling turn and check folding river. I think we can sometimes find a hero fold on the end especially since vill limped preflop. Interesting spot though, not really sure how I feel about going for a turn value bet in this spot. Seems a little thin but I think it would be okay if you wanted to go for it.

1) Raise more preflop. When this deep and OOP, I would go at least 5x with 2 limpers, maybe a tad more.

2) On the flop, you have to make a value determination of your hand if nothing changes. How many post flop bets is your hand worth. Will it still be the best hand in a multi-way pot after 3 post flop bets? Maybe, maybe not. Definitely after 2 post flop bets it still has good chances to be the best hand.

3) Checking the turn depends alot on the opponent. The K is a terrible card for a double barrel bluff with your missed hands, so if your opponent is playing level 2 poker or above, knowing your bluff range shrinks, so should your value range. Under those circumstances, htis might be the bottom of the value range. Against a loose passive calling station, fire away. He's playing his cards and is not worried about how small your bluff range just got.

4) The river seems to be more of a coin toss. It's probably marginal either way.

I would raise more preflop - at least 5x.

Maybe cbet slightly smaller on such a dry board? You're not charging any draws to play (other than GS) so go a little smaller to induce calls from underpairs and random floats.

OTT and OTR I don't mind check calling twice. In these micro games you'll induce a lot of weak bluffs, and some players will spaz out trying to "protect" small pairs or represent something ridiculous.

All villain is really repping here is 33 and a random Kx. I see the fish play 98o just like this every orbit.

You could argue raising a bit more pre flop but it most likely wouldn't change the outcome, think the raise size you used is fine. I really don't see any other way this could be played besides leading turn the problem with that is you leave yourself open to get shoved on, but that could give you all the info you need to know your hands beat because its highly unlikely he would raise your turn bet with anything but a king, check folding the turn is way to premature so either bet turncheck river and fold to raises, or check turn check river and call the bets if you're a non believer.

So we have consensus on a bigger PF raise and smaller CB, but the audience is divided on (1) whether to barrel the turn and (2) whether to call the river.

Given the player pool and the fact that villain likely doesn't have many Kx limps in his preflop range, I think I would opt for a turn barrel. The problem is that leaves me in the exact same spot on the river, likely checking and having to decide whether to call.

If I barrel the turn, how about a blocker on the river?

Maybe, but the blocker bet feels a little too fancy in this spot. Barrelling off leaves you open to raises where you really want to manage the size of the pot. You also don't give villain the chance to bluff.

Given how deep you are, I like check calling twice, and I expect to see 9x or a small pair (or air) most of the time.

Betting turn and blocker betting river isn't terrible, but I would prefer that line on a wetter board. Here, I like to induce and/or control the pot size

Preflop is fine as played variation from that I would say more is fine (5x etc), less is not (3x). Generally you should bet as much as that limper would call. If you think he will call 166bb, jam 166bb.

OTF: Same situation on the flop. Bet as much as they will call. 2x pot gets called way more than it should! The reason for such a large bet has to do defining his range as much as value. These half pot things are not pushing enough of this **** range out. If you bet 2x pot and he flats, a set is a real possibility. One way to choose an overbet size is such that you can jam PSB on turn or river.

OTT: The king on the turn makes it more likely that he does not have a K. If he has something like QTss JTss QJss AXss he will probably try to take the lead here. If he has a king, The donk lead here is not well played. He should check raise with a king here. If he has 99 or 33 is the question. See reasons for flop bet sizing. These are real possibilities where the deeper you are the more important it is to root these out.

OTR: As played I think you can fold or call. The 34bb is not that significant to the bigger picture. You walk away with 150+bbs and a nice note on villain moving forward.


Notice that if you bet 5x PRE, 10x OTF, 20x OTT, and 40x OTR you put in 75bb vs the 25-60 as played.
Notice that you can define your PSB PSB PSB line to get his stak by betting 8x pre. then 16x, 32x, 64x

Just my thoughts. Probably wrong.

bigger pre and id go bigger flop even also. 4 ways you are obv doing well vs 1pair and they arent likely to fold tp for another 5-8bb (depending on pre sizing)

turn is pretty gross, maybe a smaller b/f hoping to get x backs on rivers and pot control somewhat. river as played is close but idk what value range you beat or what bluffs hed have left. so id fold and sigh prob

yea id be betting turn folding to raise and x/f river if he calls

Agree with most of above, particularly re larger sizing pre OOP with 2 limps but I disagree a little with the cbet sizing comments on the basis that this is a 4 way pot OOP

That makes me want to bet a little larger than I would otherwise (on such a dry board) so that we don't see a succession of calls behind us with hands getting great odds to try and outdraw us (mainly small/middle pocket pairs that are in the limp-call range and Kx hands which an all improve to 2 pair/ trips/ sets and overtake us)

That sizing isn't specific to this holding but probably applies to the whole cbet range I have on this board 4 way with what would appear to be potentially passive opponents (in absence of data we can see that they all took very passive action pre)

So as played I would bet the same as Hero if not slightly larger to try and isolate one opponent (as was achieved) and get value from what is likely best hand. If it was heads up going to the flop I agree slightly smaller sizing would be appropriate