Site has awful hand histories so have to type it manually, genuinely don't know what to do on rivers like this most times....

bounty 6max blinds 400/800 no ante

villain is standard player from his stats, i've just joined the table few orbits ago

hero(sb) 12300 A A
villain(bb) 21750

folds to hero, minraise to 1600 bb calls

pot 3200 - flop A 8 4

hero check villain checks - should i be betting these spots more? couldn't think of much he would continue/float with if i lead out

pot 3200 - turn J

hero bets 2345 villain calls - wanted to leave myeslf pot sized bet for most rivers

pot 7890 - river 5

hero ???

I have about 8.8k left, my plan was to shove any non club river but i'm just unsure of the play on a club river, do i just shove anyway and hope he will call with worse as he covers me and it's a bounty? What are the other options? is check/call better or do i ever check/fold if he shoves?


Probably an easy question but it's one spot i find myself in a lot and feel lost but dunno if it's just an easy shove on any river.

Thanks

You're playing 15BB effective, so even the consideration of throwing away top set (barring any extremely wet board such as 4 to a straight or flush) is atrocious. I think the only question that needs to be asked is how to extract the maximum. I would be raising a bit more than the minimum out of the SB (maybe 1800 or 2K). Flop check is fine, turn bet is fine, river is debatable -- you under-repped your hand so you could check to induce a bluff, or shove and hope to get called by Jx (pretty unlikely villain has Ax here). If they rivered a flush here, so be it.

Normally in this spot (BvB, 15BB) I would probably be shoving with Ax+, KT+, 22+ pre, but I think AA is too high to shove with.

Fine up to river - very clear shove - think about V's range to call a turn bet after a minraise from the small blind and a check on the flop. he has very few club club hands (as do you) - you are close to the top of your range and well ahead of his - he can bluff-catch with much of his range.
Checking river is poor imo as most V's will not bluff enough esp when the flush has come in. check /fold is unspeakably bad.

You can help yourself avoid these spots by simplifying your thought process going into the hand. "I have 15bb, I'm committing my chips with anything decent." Top set is way better than decent.

If he rivered the back door flush that is poker. I would still shove the river and make it look like a bluff, any 2 pairs will call it down. I would be more worried about 2/3 or 6/7 out of the small blind then the flush.

Appreciate all the replies, ended up shoving and he had a flush, one of them ones where I'd been on a bad run and was doubting myself, thanks again.

Personally, I elect to check pretty rarely on the flop.
I think a nice continuation bet would've done you well or even a small probe bet, and you may have won it there, however I understand the thought of extracting the most money possible. But a check - call - bet looks pretty fishy to him.

You gave him bad odds to call for a flush draw on 4th street, and he made an error.
In person or against good players there may have not been a call... but you bet properly giving him a bit over 2-1 pot odds... Unless he had an ace or something smaller that's a bit different..