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12-14-2017 , 03:03 PM

Woodstokk

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 19

Hello,

No reads on the players. Against two shoves I'm probably folding this, how should I play this? On the flop I have a str draw, but this seems rather unimportant. Also I'm blocking some straights on the flop. Thoughts?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $4 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 20 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37894490

UTG+1: 5,211 (34.7 bb)
UTG+2: 4,955 (33 bb)
MP1: 9,465 (63.1 bb)
MP2: 8,097 (54 bb)
MP3: 10,228 (68.2 bb)
CO: 3,961 (26.4 bb)
BTN: 4,517 (30.1 bb)
Hero (SB): 8,068 (53.8 bb)
BB: 3,692 (24.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

4 folds, MP3 calls 150, CO calls 150, BTN folds, Hero raises to 450, BB folds, MP3 calls 300, CO calls 300

Flop: (1,680) 5

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets 840, CO raises to 3,491 and is all-in, Hero?

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12-14-2017 , 04:07 PM

Fish'n'chips

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 54

We're getting a little less than 2:1 pot odds to call. MP3 and CO could have middle pairs like 66-99. Both players limp-called so I doubt they're on pocket broadway pairs. We have blockers for A3s. But 55, 44, and 22 are concerning and in both players' ranges. CO likely isn't shoving with air, so I'm guessing 66-99 or he flopped a set.

I'm at work so I can't do the equity calculations, but I'm going to guess it is +EV to call here because of all the overpairs we have crushed.

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12-14-2017 , 04:48 PM

Darth_Maul

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I don't think CO would shove a set there. More likely an overpair or perhaps 33 for the OESD. MP could have a set but could also have a bunch of overpairs. You do have blockers to A3 and I can't see either of them having 63, so a straight isn't much of a threat. I think you have to get it in here.

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12-14-2017 , 04:49 PM

AALegend

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,075

And raise bigger pre. The rule of thumb is to add 1bb to your standard preflop raise amount for every limper.

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12-14-2017 , 05:19 PM

Woodstokk

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 19

I did end up shoving and thought that it was correct play during the hand. CO showed 55 and I lost the hand. Agree, perhaps I should raise to about 600 pre, on the other hand I don't want to drive them all away.

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12-14-2017 , 05:37 PM

Fish'n'chips

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Originally Posted by Woodstokk

Nothing wrong with taking down the pot with the blinds and a couple of limpers. We'd rather win that pot than lose to a hand that would have folded to a larger preflop raise. Hands like AK and QQ+, we want to isolate one caller. We can get into trouble with multi-way pots.

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12-14-2017 , 06:58 PM

abecede

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 357

Larger raise preflop. On the flop I can see them having smaller pairs to yours, even hands like A5. You can not fold here. If you did, that would imply that vs shove you will only call sets that I dont even think you can have here, since you probably flating it pre. So you are at the absolute top of your range, which you just simply can not fold.

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12-14-2017 , 09:51 PM

jjpregler

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Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,974

Larger preflop. Even 600 is a bit small with 2 limpers and OOP. Should be 700 - 800 preflop.

2.5x + 1bb per limper is 750.

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