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A2s tough turn spot A2s tough turn spot

12-25-2017 , 04:29 PM
Villain seems like a loose player. We are ITM about 600 players left. On the turn I put villain any Kx hand and seems like a value bet to me. Reason for calling turn: any club gives me flush, any five gives me straight and I likely have the best hand also if an ace hits the river. Thought about betting the turn but getting checkraised sucks. Was this turn call correct?


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37908770

BTN: 2,709 (2.7 bb)
Hero (SB): 40,272 (40.3 bb)
BB: 71,496 (71.5 bb)
UTG+1: 29,801 (29.8 bb)
UTG+2: 17,596 (17.6 bb)
MP1: 22,830 (22.8 bb)
MP2: 21,766 (21.8 bb)
MP3: 70,895 (70.9 bb)
CO: 7,145 (7.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A 2
4 folds, MP3 raises to 3,000, 2 folds, Hero calls 2,500, BB calls 2,000

Flop: (10,125) 9 4 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 checks

Turn: (10,125) K (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets 10,000, MP3 folds, Hero calls 10,000

River: (30,125) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets 15,000, Hero folds

Spoiler:
Results: 30,125 pot
Final Board: 9 4 3 K 8
Hero mucked A 2 and lost (-13,125 net)
BB mucked and won 30,125 (17,000 net)
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12-25-2017 , 05:18 PM
I'd consider 3betting this pre. I like that a lot better than flatting OOP, even vs. a 3x.

As played, I would put serious consideration into donk leading kind of big on this flop. No one really does this, but I like using this play in certain spots. I think your hand is a bit too weak to check-call OOP, but a bit too good to check-fold. I would need specific reads to try a c/r and c/r'ing is a bit riskier and more expensive.

If we lead, the BB is in an awkward spot with 4x/3x since the preflop raiser still has to act. His range is already fairly wide, so he should be folding a lot.

The preflop raiser probably won't know how to react and will likely just fold a big part of his range. A good player would probably read this bet as a marginal pair or a draw, but there aren't many draws on this board. So, he might not try to bluff-raise. If he reads you as a good player, this donklead will really confuse him, since not many good players donk lead. Usually, good players show up with sets/nutted hands and big draws when they donk lead, but here there aren't any real draws. I think this freezes a lot of good players and they won't know what to do, so they end up not bluffing and over folding.

If either player raises, it's a pretty easy fold.

If you get HU, there are a lot of good turns to barrel and you should plan on triple barreling a lot of rivers.

As played, donk leading the turn is an interesting play for similar reasons. But, the Kc is a tricky card, so not exactly what I would do here. Not sure I like check-calling the BB's pot bet. It's debatable.
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12-25-2017 , 10:47 PM
I'd 3bet or pitch this trash.
also I would shove or fold turn because we dont have good odds we are in the 35-40% area vs a pot size bet and thats not good at all.
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12-26-2017 , 12:19 AM
I would need reads first before 3b. This is a nice hand to do it with as we have the ace blocker and have wheel and suited possibilities. Folding pre is proly best here the majority of the time.

As played take the lead yourself and bet that turn
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12-26-2017 , 06:35 AM
not flatting except there is a huge whale in the bb, then i might go with it.

so fold > 3bet > flat here preflop
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12-26-2017 , 08:15 AM
After 3betting pre, we gain position seems reasonable to me. Also both players are loose so 3bet is an option. Folding also seems ok now. The thing I don't like about betting turn is I might get raised off the hand. Probably folding turn also to this sizing.

Last edited by Woodstokk; 12-26-2017 at 08:23 AM.
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12-26-2017 , 10:06 AM
Of course we don't gain position...
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