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08-02-2020 , 08:32 PM

oldgoat

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Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,972

IPoker, $4.55 Buy-in (17,500/35,000 blinds, 2,800 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 1,243,042 (35.5 bb)
BB: 1,230,607 (35.2 bb)
UTG+2: 654,202 (18.7 bb)
MP1: 685,415 (19.6 bb)
MP2: 595,208 (17 bb)
Hero (MP3): 853,672 (24.4 bb)
CO: 1,583,407 (45.2 bb)
BTN: 1,283,141 (36.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9

3 folds, Hero raises to 87,500, CO folds, BTN calls 87,500, 2 folds

Flop: (249,900) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 140,000, Hero calls 140,000

Turn: (529,900) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 210,000,

sf table 15 left - no immediate pay jumps
V is unknown - which is what makes it difficult as its the type of spot I tend to play differently against passive and aggressive Vs

whats your line?

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08-03-2020 , 12:07 PM

Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,434

Not sure I like the x/c line here. Villain is going to have a lot of suited Ax, middle pairs, and Broadway type stuff calling on the BTN. Let's assume we can eliminate JJ+/AK from his range. So you have the range advantage because you can have all sets and overpairs, as well as AKcc. And there are a lot of cards you don't want to see on the turn (any J-A, any club). So I think I bet the flop, and would likely use villain's sizing. I would go into x/c mode on any bad turn card, and likely bet/fold any brick.

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08-03-2020 , 10:44 PM

lanimilbus

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Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 24

I also cbet flop, but prolly a smaller sizing (like 80k).

OTT, I think I'm trying to get to showdown, so I x/c the 8 even though V shouldn't have many 8's in his range (A8s, maybe 89s, 78s).

OTR, x/c bricks.

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08-10-2020 , 11:32 AM

harddude

banned

Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 315

If your going to check call flop your better off check/raising all in in this spot IMO.

I would bet flop instead and if called or raised probably start looking for the fold button.

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08-11-2020 , 03:35 AM

jaaabon

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Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 33

Agree with Darth_maul

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08-11-2020 , 04:09 AM

oldgoat

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,972

so the consensus seems to be b/f the flop and give up if V flats?
- don't love this as it turns a hand with decent sdv into a bluff and we can easily end up folding the best hand if V is at all aggressive -
but also don't love the x/c line either

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08-12-2020 , 04:55 AM

jaaabon

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Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 33

I wouldn't say we turn our hand into a bluff. We are still ahead of most of V range,because most top Pairs would have been 3bet pre. We just betting for value against his draws and dont want give overcards a free card. I am not sure if i would fold against a raise since i just see him having Tx like Ats,KTs ,Qts,Jts,and maybe T9s and he will not raise them all for value probably and he is raising some flushdraws. Depending on the Turncard i just x/c turn because he can still flushdraws and the evaluate River

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08-12-2020 , 04:29 PM

persianpunisher

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Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 2,818

I would be min-raising pre at this stack depth. I like the check call on the flop. Don't want to bloat the pot OOP with a marginal hand. I think OTT if you call you have to call down non club rivers, and the 99 without a club is much better than with one.

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08-13-2020 , 06:18 AM

bumpnrun

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,887

the reason u posted this hand is there is no good way to respond to his turn bet. U either guess he’s FOS or u fold and potentially allow yourself to be owned

If anything it’s a nice lesson
on how to use position to make people’s lives miserable when they are super deep in a large field and have an ok but vulnerable stack

I think what I would do is c bet and barrel turn to rep a big pair . Most people won’t leak so many crucial chips to float twice . If he calls two barrels your 9s are no good

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08-14-2020 , 03:47 AM

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oldgoat

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Originally Posted by bumpnrun

lol you are spot on about why I posted - I guessed he was FOS and shoved and of course he had KTs - I like the reasoning to barrel twice because most people won't float twice at this stage - even though this turns our hand into a bluff.

maybe Persian Punisher's line is better if we know that V is a good player

thanks all

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08-14-2020 , 05:40 AM

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Colin_Piddle

The Colonial

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 11,807

It's kinda interesting spot cos I think he can raise the flop here with a variety of hands and put you in a tough spot for sure. I don't mind check calling on both streets and reevaulate river on this particular hand vs a button flat.

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