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Old 07-17-2021, 11:49 PM   #1
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77 or AJs

All things being equal, if you are in early position which would you rather open raise with? Both or either is an acceptable answer as well. Please explain.
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Old 07-19-2021, 09:56 AM   #2
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Re: 77 or AJs

77. Set it or forget it, easy to play. AJs can get you in trouble if you don't hit your flush.
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Old 07-19-2021, 06:00 PM   #3
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Re: 77 or AJs

The straightforward answer is 77. But to dig deeper, if it's early in a tournament I'd likely fold both. Middle stages assuming I'm not all-in or fold mode, then I'd open with 77. AJs if it's a tight table but plan to c/f turn and river if I miss flop completely and my c-bet gets called.

5/6 handed or less I'm opening with both.

If I'm <~10 bb I'm likely shoving both.
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Old 07-19-2021, 07:01 PM   #4
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Re: 77 or AJs

It highly depends on our stack size and if there's an ante.
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Old 07-19-2021, 07:01 PM   #5
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Re: 77 or AJs

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The straightforward answer is 77. But to dig deeper, if it's early in a tournament I'd likely fold both. Middle stages assuming I'm not all-in or fold mode, then I'd open with 77. AJs if it's a tight table but plan to c/f turn and river if I miss flop completely and my c-bet gets called.

5/6 handed or less I'm opening with both.

If I'm <~10 bb I'm likely shoving both.
You should open less hands on shorter handed tables due to their being less antes.
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Old 07-20-2021, 03:31 PM   #6
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Re: 77 or AJs

Its easier to realize your equity with AJs compared to 77. AJs makes gutshots and fds and strong top pairs that get to see turns and rivers.

With 77 a lot of boards force you to play more passively if you dont have a set so you give more free cards and get bluffed off the best hand more often.

On a 20-40bb stack I would rather have AJs.


When we get deeper I consider them to be basically equal. Maybe a slight edge to 77 because of set v set potential v smaller pairs.
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Old 07-20-2021, 03:43 PM   #7
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Re: 77 or AJs

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Its easier to realize your equity with AJs compared to 77. AJs makes gutshots and fds and strong top pairs that get to see turns and rivers.

With 77 a lot of boards force you to play more passively if you dont have a set so you give more free cards and get bluffed off the best hand more often.

On a 20-40bb stack I would rather have AJs.


When we get deeper I consider them to be basically equal. Maybe a slight edge to 77 because of set v set potential v smaller pairs.
Probably obvious, but I’d also say they’re about equal at shorter stacks. At 10BB or less you are probably just open shoving either one. Although you theoretically should be dominated more often with 77, depending on the shove calling range of the population. If it’s TT+ for pairs, that’s 30 combos vs. 24 available AK and AQ combos. A looser range of pairs would obviously cause 77 to be dominated more.

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Old 07-20-2021, 03:57 PM   #8
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Re: 77 or AJs

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Its easier to realize your equity with AJs compared to 77. AJs makes gutshots and fds and strong top pairs that get to see turns and rivers.

With 77 a lot of boards force you to play more passively if you dont have a set so you give more free cards and get bluffed off the best hand more often.
The risk of being out of position when opening from early position makes it much harder to realize your equity with AJs. Much harder to play draws from OOP.

77 also carries with it virtually no risk, except for those rare instances where you get a super low flop. AJs is higher risk.
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Old 07-21-2021, 09:15 AM   #9
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Re: 77 or AJs

Interesting thread.
You seem to all agree that it's ok to fold these hands early game.
Valdy does fold both.

I raise all the PPs without thinking down to 55 at least, and many many Axs.
At a 8-max table I'd open every PP UTG.

I mean when 100BB+ deep, we're looking for sets and flushes to win 200BB pots, right ?
EG is the moment when we face splashy villains who are ready to play a 200BB pot with TPTK...
I'd rather fold AQo than 77 (I'd raise both, but you get the idea).

Am I totally missing something ?
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Old 07-23-2021, 03:35 AM   #10
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Interesting thread.
You seem to all agree that it's ok to fold these hands early game.
Valdy does fold both.

I raise all the PPs without thinking down to 55 at least, and many many Axs.
At a 8-max table I'd open every PP UTG.

I mean when 100BB+ deep, we're looking for sets and flushes to win 200BB pots, right ?
EG is the moment when we face splashy villains who are ready to play a 200BB pot with TPTK...
I'd rather fold AQo than 77 (I'd raise both, but you get the idea).

Am I totally missing something ?
I'm in the same boat as you I'm opening these two hands 100% of the time when deep regardless of position.
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