Both guys are very loose. Please comment. Thank you.




[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $6.82 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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Hero (MP3): 54,208 (54.2 bb)
CO: 20,453 (20.5 bb)
BTN: 74,749 (74.7 bb)
SB: 55,182 (55.2 bb)
BB: 10,794 (10.8 bb)
UTG+2: 17,263 (17.3 bb)
MP1: 58,442 (58.4 bb)
MP2: 44,166 (44.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to 2,500, CO folds, BTN calls 2,500, SB calls 2,000, BB folds

Flop: (9,500) Q T 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 4,750, BTN calls 4,750, SB raises to 16,000,

Hero?

i might call flop and get it in on safe (no q or A) turns

Would you ever fold?

pretty few combos that beat us here since neither of them can have QQ, and sb probably shouldn't have TT. at least QTo should be somewhat discounted as well from both guys ranges. as played i call and dont rly plan on folding too often.

How do you discount all those combos? He said they were loose, he didn't say anything about aggression. TT/QT/55 definitely real threats, and QQ only slight less so.

Let's come at it another way. What hands could SB legitimately play this way that Hero beats?

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never said they couldn't have QT/TT/55, just that they are going to have QTo and TT less often and therefore i would discount x-amount of combos of those hands (where x is a debatable figure for sure).

to answer your question, i dont know. could be checkraising wide for value, could be checkraising lighter than usual because of btns flat, could be checkraising QT+ only etc.unless i know how likely either of those scenarios is i am not looking to fold KK ever in this spot. if i fold kings in this spot it basically means i will only continue with sets because i might not even have QT in my opening range pre and thats a pretty drastic adjustment when i have little to no info/sample on either of the villains.

I don't know, if you're not prepared to fold KK in a spot like this then I don't think there is ever a spot where you'd fold it. This also isn't level 1 or 2 where people can do all sorts of stupid stuff and a policy of not folding KK is more reasonable. I think you are beat a very high % of the time here.

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Your KK blocks a lot of combos you beat, like KQ, KJ. Not a deal breaker, but you really are hoping vil has AQ or Qx bluff and you are ahead of those but behind everything else.

If the flop had a flush draw that you did not block, I would call that for sure.

Sometimes blockers can help you make a tough decision, if it is close.

I think you have to jam overpairs with such a low SPR. If you fold hands as strong as that, you would be too exploitable.

Hero has 47BB behind, how deep does hero need to be to be allowed a fold here?

The best draw he bluff raises you block,doubt he is bluffing with 3 flush/str8 hands, would he cr into 2 players with AQ?
I think a fold because of button calling, no button there and its an easy call

nah I doubt I ever fold to loose players here. They should be less weighted towards QQ,TT as these may 3b pre so the only stuff we really worried about is QT,55 which we have at least some outs against if they show up with it.

Folding overpairs to loose players in general is pretty exploitable and not something you want to do too often. I think I would only do it if im super deep and reads that point me in that direction