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12-14-2018 , 06:06 PM
hey folks,

I play more Cash Games, than MTT´s, so the answer to this question perhaps is too obvious.
My main problem ist the 30-50BB play and the protection of my tournament life.

Situation:
55€ MTT 30 Player Cap
28/30 Players
4 places paid
20 min. Blinds Levels
Average maybe 35BB

Hero 33BB
Villain MP maybe 40BB
-> tight player
Villain BB 22BB
-> Limp/folds a lot
-> First 3Bet in one hour
-> More fit and fold player post flop
-> probably a weak player

Hero UTG A K OR 2.5BB
MP Call
BB Shove

Is this a standart call with AKo in this situation?

If I lost the hand I have just 11BB.
If I win the hand I have 58BB.
Is it necessary to risk his tournament life at this stage?

Of course maybe MP call the shove too.
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12-15-2018 , 01:53 AM
YES

.... answers all your questions. MTT or cash. The play is the same.
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12-15-2018 , 06:13 AM
Don't worry too much about "tournament life" You just need to play for chips at this stage - It's a pretty standard reshove
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12-15-2018 , 06:41 AM
Yes. Shove all in.

One of my pet peeves is that modern day players are still clinging onto the 1990's "tournament life" concept. Tournament life is not a metric with which to measure your decisions. That dates back to a time when there was a tremendous gap in the professional players and the recreational players. Survival had more value for the professionals when there was a tremendous skill gap.

Today that tremendous skill gap is not there. And if I was to venture a guess, even then players vastly overestimated the "value" of their skill advantage.

A play with positive expectation is a good play not withstanding its effects on tournament life.

However, survival in an MTT has some value. That value can be "built in" to your decisions by providing yourself an edge or a cushion on your call equity. What I mean by that is here you have to call 19.5 BBs to win 29.5 BBs. Your pot odds are 1.5:1 and your break even equity is 40%. So you cushion your call equity to call off with 45% or greater. This programs skill advantage and survival into the decision algorithm.

Here I would expect the BB to have a range of hands at least 99+ and AQ+. Against that range AK is:

UTG 48.60% { AKo }
BB 51.40% { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }
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12-15-2018 , 08:33 AM
Thx for the answers

I didn’t saw a 99+, AQ+ range in this spot.
Maybe I saw some ghosts He played so passive the whole time and this was his first raise (and of course reraise).
Thought he had KK+, AK. Plus my weird tournament life thinking...

Well...

Hero Folds
MP Calls

BB Shows 74o
MP Shows JJ

Board: 7Q2 3 8


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12-15-2018 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jjpregler
Yes. Shove all in.

One of my pet peeves is that modern day players are still clinging onto the 1990's "tournament life" concept. Tournament life is not a metric with which to measure your decisions. That dates back to a time when there was a tremendous gap in the professional players and the recreational players. Survival had more value for the professionals when there was a tremendous skill gap.

Today that tremendous skill gap is not there. And if I was to venture a guess, even then players vastly overestimated the "value" of their skill advantage.

A play with positive expectation is a good play not withstanding its effects on tournament life.

However, survival in an MTT has some value. That value can be "built in" to your decisions by providing yourself an edge or a cushion on your call equity. What I mean by that is here you have to call 19.5 BBs to win 29.5 BBs. Your pot odds are 1.5:1 and your break even equity is 40%. So you cushion your call equity to call off with 45% or greater. This programs skill advantage and survival into the decision algorithm.

Here I would expect the BB to have a range of hands at least 99+ and AQ+. Against that range AK is:

UTG48.60%{ AKo }
BB51.40%{ 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }
There is a reason why TJ Cloutier dominated in the 90s and this was precisely the reason why.
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12-15-2018 , 02:52 PM
No brainer shove
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12-15-2018 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by XChrisCubeX
Thx for the answers

I didn’t saw a 99+, AQ+ range in this spot.
Maybe I saw some ghosts He played so passive the whole time and this was his first raise (and of course reraise).
Thought he had KK+, AK. Plus my weird tournament life thinking...
1) Above you mentioned that you only played 1 hour with this villain. Realistically, that is only about a 25 hand sample. Not a large enough sample to develop a strong enough read to "nit" hole this player yet.

2) Even tight players are aware of stack dynamics here and will move calling hands into the shove category.

3) You have blockers to the 2 hands you really do not want to see here: AA/KK. 99 - QQ wouldn't make me thrilled, but they give me the equity required for a good call here.

4) If he ever has AQ/AJ and you folded, then your fold was a massive blunder.
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