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06-10-2020 , 10:03 AM

Moscow86

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 143

Just felt this was poorly played in possibly a few places - I'm 24 of 33 left so ~6 spots from ITM. On a short stack but getting the odds pf. I don't have any indication that UTG is super loose so the limp is suspicious. My thinking in the moment was likely that BB has all 6s, but given my stack and however unlikely that is, I should have probably just check jammed flop.

PokerStars - 300/600 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 8.33 BB
Hero (SB): 8.93 BB
BB: 9.46 BB
UTG: 19.48 BB
UTG+1: 10.22 BB
MP: 21.33 BB
MP+1: 14.13 BB
CO: 13.12 BB

8 players post ante of 0.08 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.17 BB) Hero has J

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (3.67 BB, 3 players) 6

Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, fold

Turn: (5.67 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero checks, UTG bets 1 BB, Hero is all-in

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06-10-2020 , 11:49 AM

Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

Fold pre with this hand. J9o is much weaker than it looks, and you can't even afford the 0.5bb with your stack. When you're nearing the bubble with such a short stack, you should shift into survival mode and just try to cash.

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06-10-2020 , 06:14 PM

Captain-Hindsight

adept

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,114

I think it's kinda close depending on how much the min cash means to you and how top heavy the payout structure is...

This looks to me like it's a 180m sit n go turbo? Basically the most top heavy structure on stars. Min cash is something like 1.05 BI and 1st/9th is a 20x difference (typically around 15x).

anyway if that's the case I think calling is fine and I'd just x jam the flop

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06-11-2020 , 05:52 AM

Zomkah

newbie

Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 36

For me if you call preflop, you have to shove on the flop if you hit any pair or if the cards that come don't hit UTG range much.

You call on the flop okay, but what if a card like an A/K/Q hits the turn ?

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06-11-2020 , 08:07 AM

Moscow86

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 143

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Originally Posted by Captain-Hindsight

Yes, it’s a 180m turbo

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06-11-2020 , 10:49 AM

oldgoat

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,972

nh
don't listen to people who are telling you to try to min cask - it's not like you're that far below everyone else or even right on the bubble - you should be aiming to use bubble tightness to chip up and give yourself a chance at a deep run.

I think call pf is fine given odds and as long as BB isn't aggro - postflop I think I prefer your line to x/jam - we are a little marginal to gii with this spr so prefer to see what bb does and what kind of turn we get- obviously this is a good turn for us so gii now.

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06-11-2020 , 07:39 PM

Captain-Hindsight

adept

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,114

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Originally Posted by oldgoat

you should be aiming to use bubble tightness to chip up and give yourself a chance at a deep run.

while I do agree with this in some cases (180m turbos for example). A lot of players learned this type of thinking around 2016 and it's a little outdated. The fact of the matter is bubbles are fairly ICM intensive, especially when the min cash is large, and like any other ICM situation you should be a little risk averse.

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06-12-2020 , 09:02 AM

oldgoat

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,972

i'm not sure what you're saying is outdated? bubble tightness or bubble aggression?
while I think that ICM awareness is important on the bubble - particularly when thinking about range to call off with a small stack - I think the population massively over-tightens and does it too far away from the actual bubble - people often post here that we are in a bubble situation when there are about 30% of players to be eliminated before the money, which is crazy imo
Min cashes have got smaller generally and are pretty insignificant to your overall ROI - I think there is a lot of $EV in exploiting bubble tightness to chip up

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06-12-2020 , 09:40 AM

Captain-Hindsight

adept

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,114

It's not that bubble tightness or aggression is outdated, just this idea that we should never tighten up to min cash, it is still an important pay jump.

and yes I agree, to me bubble is something like <5% of the total player field away from the money. I also agree that you should be conscientious of what the min cash is and adjust accordingly

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06-12-2020 , 10:37 AM

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oldgoat

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,972

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

When you're nearing the bubble with such a short stack, you should shift into survival mode and just try to cash.

tbh - I think it was this statement that I was really taking issue with - I don't think we should ever "shift into survival mode" except either in a satty or the very unusual situation where we are many times smaller than the average stack

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