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06-20-2018 , 11:30 PM

trixakias

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 32

I am 4th out of 4 in the final table and i am in the big blind with 10blinds holding 33. First to act is the chipleader with 50blinds who is very loose and opens almost any two in this ICM situation. Button has 15blinds and sb has 23blinds.
Chipleader first to act and mini raises, button folds, sb folds and its my turn to act holding 33 with 10bbs? Do you shove or fold? I know that if i 3bet shove he is gonna call any two and i will flip. Is it wrong to shove according to ICM? Even if i am the shortest stack?

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06-21-2018 , 04:06 AM

gamboneee

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icm doesnt matter when you are the short stack; it is telling you how to make the most money per chip and 4/4 is already guaranteed 4th so accumulating chips is the only way to make your ev go up

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06-21-2018 , 06:32 AM

cizixap

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Originally Posted by trixakias

could you provide the payout for 1-4 places? it can be calculated then by using the software...However, it seems to be very clear push..

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06-21-2018 , 09:38 AM

Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by gamboneee

icm doesnt matter when you are the short stack; it is telling you how to make the most money per chip and 4/4 is already guaranteed 4th so accumulating chips is the only way to make your ev go up

Only if you're really short relative to the other stacks. ICM is definitely relevant if you have stacks like:

42bb
18bb
15bb
12bb (you)

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06-21-2018 , 10:19 AM

trixakias

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 32

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Originally Posted by cizixap

could you provide the payout for 1-4 places? it can be calculated then by using the software...However, it seems to be very clear push..

yes payouts were
1st: 152$
2nd:108$
3rd: 82$
4th: 61$

Tournament was 4$ at 888poker

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06-22-2018 , 02:38 AM

gamboneee

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

Only if you're really short relative to the other stacks. ICM is definitely relevant if you have stacks like:

42bb
18bb
15bb
12bb (you)

numbers are above, do a calc and see how different it is. in last, the best way to increase stack value is to gain chips

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06-22-2018 , 06:13 AM

Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by gamboneee

numbers are above, do a calc and see how different it is. in last, the best way to increase stack value is to gain chips

Yeah I noticed that after I posted. At 50/23/15/10 ICM probably has some relevance but not a huge amount because doubling up won't gain you much equity.

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