I don't recall seeing others use that sentence.

I'm legit sorry. You don't want action with KK and it must be the result of hands like this.

When people say screw balance they mean stuff like it doesn’t really matter that you don’t include KK into your shove range with like 18BB as people aren’t really exploiting these sorts of things at the micros. It could also mean that they won’t bluff catch some spots because people hardly ever bluff these spots at the micros.

Jamming KK for 18BB for value will not result in people calling light. In fact, most people will respect these all-in as not that many jams light at these stakes.

dude, being sorry about other people's losses is not very good idea. I mean it's natural because you know that feeling that you f*cking lost the best hand and you take compassion on someone, but you better not recall that feeling because it's the step towards being indifferent to your own losses which means no tilt. So, don't troll me.

The thing is players in small stakes are loose AF. Always on the table you have at least 2 players who call AI with all kind of sh*t, from my experience. Versus them it's really really better to jam preflop your strongest hands. It's money printing on average.
But in med stakes it's completely different strategy as you can see from the hand I sent earlier.

It's curious that you know this if you don't play low stakes?


Of course, they are situations where people do all sorts of crazy stuff and call hands they shouldn't. However, even at the micro stakes you rarely see people call off random garbage when they see an 18BB shove. Also it's KK you have to make an effort if you don't want to be printing money with this hand. You forget by jamming you remove all fold equity so you rely on people having value that can call or just being plain stupid.


Also, the hand you sent earlier is a terrible example. The thing is once you check here most people will discount most of your overpairs and BTN could be betting a pretty wide range of hands with some bluffs and worse value hands than your own. The SB doesn't have many 6x and if he does have many of these sorts of hands it again opens up the fact that he can all sorts of other junk and we again are forced to call it off as we are pretty much at the top of our range and BTN will be folding a lot in this spot.

I'm sure you lost the hand as you use it as an example. However, it's completely resulted oriented thinking and you surely can't be saying your folding 100% vs these kinds of lines?

This is a decent exploit with AK where the average small stakes player is not repopping dominated hands aggressively enough but cannot bear to fold the prettier of them to an 18bb jam (AJ, KQ etc).

And if they don't rejam wide enough, it makes sense to have an 18bb raise/fold range, balanced by a raise/call range...

okay guys, we are running in circles. let's call it a day. gl.

That post wasn't for your benefit

yes, of course. I mean that I am not going to write anything else here. just used wrong idiom.

another day, another loss with KK

PokerStars - 200/400 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 28.78 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 20)
BTN: 38.21 BB (VPIP: 6.90, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
SB: 26 BB (VPIP: 19.57, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
BB: 43.69 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 15.63 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG+1: 3.57 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 25.45 BB
Hero (MP+1): 29.59 BB
MP+2: 47.75 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.62 BB) Hero has K K

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 4 BB

Flop: (18.62 BB, 3 players) 2 4 6
MP checks, Hero bets 24.47 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 24.47 BB, MP calls 20.33 BB and is all-in

Turn: (87.89 BB, 3 players) 8

River: (87.89 BB, 3 players) 5

Hero shows K K (One Pair, Kings)

Main Pot [79.61 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [8.28 BB]: (Pre 80%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)

BTN shows T T (One Pair, Tens)

Main Pot [79.61 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [8.28 BB]: (Pre 20%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)

MP shows 6 6 (Three of a Kind, Sixes)

Main Pot [79.61 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 78%, Turn 90%)

MP wins 79.61 BB
Hero wins 8.28 BB

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

this is just bbv - of course we should gii with KK here

Don't like shoving pre as you dont want to take away the option of 3b from shove stack and 2 other deep stacked opponents, nothing was mentioned for reads but even if you have none you have to adapt your play.

Post flop this hand is a real simple bet flop/shove turn situation when we less than 20bb. Make sense to charge flush draws and wheel aces like A4,A3.

As played I would snap fold river, think about it hes definitely showing up with a flush here some % of the time, he called x2 streets already and a Q might shove flop or turn, I just dont feel a Q takes this line always but a flush does because he doesn't want to miss his value when you have position and could potentially x back this card

nope.

Maybe you don't understand why the hand I'm referring to is a cooler?

old goal, oh i thought that u mean gii preflop; otf is indeed gii.

No, it doesn't.