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3-betting ranges: 88 in the cutoff 3-betting ranges: 88 in the cutoff

08-21-2019 , 01:17 PM
First post in a few months. One area of my game I've been working on is my 3-betting ranges preflop. This is a hand from the Hotter $11 on Stars that I think is a tough 3b spot.

The only info I have on villain is that he has been quite active in a small sample of 17 hands.

PokerStars - 100/200 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 29.41 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 39)
UTG: 39.53 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 13)
UTG+1: 16.66 BB (VPIP: 8.16, PFR: 6.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
MP: 31.34 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP+1: 22.87 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP+2: 33.33 BB (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 17)
Hero (CO): 65.89 BB
BTN: 59.97 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
SB: 23.77 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.62 BB) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 2 BB, Hero ???

Reasons to 3b
1) We could be ahead of villain's range so 88 could be a value 3b here
2) If we flat we invite a multi-way pot and will often end up playing 88 for set value only
3) We take the initiative away from villain postflop (if he flats our 3b)
4) If we flat we risk a squeeze from one of the players behind, especially the blinds who both have perfect squeeze-shove stacks

Reasons to flat
1) Given villain's 33bb effective stack, are we prepared to call off half our stack with 88 if he shoves over our 3b? If not, are we wasting the value of 88 by 3b/folding?
2) Also given villain's stack size, if we 3b and he calls, we set up a low SPR situation with a hand that doesn't do well in low SPR spots.
3) Villain still has a deep enough stack that we can profitably set-mine with 88
4) Is 88 strong enough to want to entice a squeeze-shove from one of the blinds?

Thoughts?
3-betting ranges: 88 in the cutoff Quote
08-21-2019 , 04:13 PM
Ummm if we have no info on villain is hard to make a plan

I mean:

If he is opening really wide 3bet looks fine and on the opposite, if he is tighter i would play in a more cautious way....

By default, with no info i just cold call

Also, one question for you: if he 4bets you.....what´s hero plan?
3-betting ranges: 88 in the cutoff Quote
08-21-2019 , 04:19 PM
Probably a mix in theory, but I 3bet to around 5bb and fold to a shove. If I flat I’m not folding to a shove from the blinds
3-betting ranges: 88 in the cutoff Quote
08-21-2019 , 06:37 PM
Over 10% ante means we DEF want to be 3b this. We need this in our 3b range to strengthen the A5s type hands we also want to 3b here for our range.

Like yeah we don't wanna go too low on the pairs but 77 is still a 3b most the time but 66 is closer etc.
3-betting ranges: 88 in the cutoff Quote
08-22-2019 , 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by killer_kill
Over 10% ante means we DEF want to be 3b this. We need this in our 3b range to strengthen the A5s type hands we also want to 3b here for our range.

Like yeah we don't wanna go too low on the pairs but 77 is still a 3b most the time but 66 is closer etc.
Smaller pairs become easier as 3b bluffs because I would have no problem 3b/folding 22-66. But 88 seems right on the borderline - not sure if it's strong enough to value 3b, but also seems too strong to 3b/fold.
3-betting ranges: 88 in the cutoff Quote
08-23-2019 , 03:11 PM
I have no problem 3b/f A5s either tho either. When we're 3b/f we mostly wanna block their 4b ranges and low pairs obv don't. I would just fold the lowest pairs tho cause I don't really wanna be flatting most my low pairs that continue given BB will be priced, we can easily get squeezed and have to fold a bunch and it's kinda hard to play post. Which isn't a reason alone to not play hands in our range but it's more like trimming the fringe stuff out.
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