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10-08-2018 , 02:17 PM
I am introducing in my game 3 bets with Ax , KJ , KT and QJ vs villains with wide PFR.
Villain : Here V is 32/22 over 130 hands (his MP PFR is 23% (30) )
Table dinamics : V was bullying the table for like 30 min with a huge stack but then his ruthless and aggro style met some good hands by other players and his stack decreased dramatically ; my table image was tight and solid

Board and effective stack size looks awkard to me ; it hits my perceived 3 bet range but i felt it hit HIS 3 betting calling range too !!!!...so what do we do?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $9 Buy-in (350/700 blinds, 85 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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SB: 31,977 (45.7 bb)
BB: 30,452 (43.5 bb)
UTG+1: 24,282 (34.7 bb)
UTG+2: 8,140 (11.6 bb)
MP1: 5,821 (8.3 bb)
MP2: 19,389 (27.7 bb)
Hero (MP3): 39,362 (56.2 bb)
CO: 8,305 (11.9 bb)
BTN: 16,545 (23.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A 5
3 folds, MP2 raises to 1,400, Hero raises to 4,400, 4 folds, MP2 calls 3,000

Flop: (10,615) Q 5 K (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero ??
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10-08-2018 , 03:49 PM
Fold pre. There are too many players behind to be getting out of line with a garbage hand. If villain is aggressive and won't fold even more reason to fold pre.
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10-09-2018 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by miguelin43
I am introducing in my game 3 bets with Ax , KJ , KT and QJ vs villains with wide PFR.
(his MP PFR is 23% (30) )

what do you want to achieve by 3-betting with these hands versus high pfr's? Do you think that these guys often fold in response to 3-bet?

Also, 23% raise from the MP does seem to be normal
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10-09-2018 , 11:26 AM
I save 3bets with small Ax for SB or BTN against late opens, against an MP open the risk is too high of running into a better Ax.
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10-09-2018 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
what do you want to achieve by 3-betting with these hands versus high pfr's? Do you think that these guys often fold in response to 3-bet?

Also, 23% raise from the MP does seem to be normal
As I am usually a tight guy I want to :

balance my 3bet range
get some folds of course ; and if V doesn't fold you have initiative in the hand

And no , this kind of guy is not going to fold often , I know , as he likes to gamble and see every flop lol...

And now a question for you : you are V and are opening 23% from MP. Effective stacks are 27 BB and you are 3 betted from a seemingly tight guy...what do you do?

1) Call OOP? with what part of your range?
2) 4 bet? to what size?
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10-09-2018 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
Fold pre. There are too many players behind to be getting out of line with a garbage hand. If villain is aggressive and won't fold even more reason to fold pre.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
I save 3bets with small Ax for SB or BTN against late opens, against an MP open the risk is too high of running into a better Ax.
Uuummm ok i understand your line of thinking....another question :

So if I am at CO or BTN with this kind of hands is it better to just fold or 3bet? I suppose if we just call it´s easy to get squeezed !

So far I have been winning nice pots (I won this hand in fact) with this kind of 3 betting but perhaps its just variance as sample size is sooo small , so I was wondering if theory behind it was good or I was just being lucky !!!!
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10-09-2018 , 11:53 AM
I'm not sure I would ever call with Ax unless I'm defending the BB. It's definitely a 3b or fold hand.
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10-09-2018 , 12:20 PM
You guys correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a 27bb stack a little shallow to be 3-betting lite? It looks like there is an awkward spr. I kinda thought you wanted to be a little deeper.
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10-09-2018 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by miguelin43
As I am usually a tight guy I want to :

balance my 3bet range
get some folds of course ; and if V doesn't fold you have initiative in the hand

And no , this kind of guy is not going to fold often , I know , as he likes to gamble and see every flop lol...

And now a question for you : you are V and are opening 23% from MP. Effective stacks are 27 BB and you are 3 betted from a seemingly tight guy...what do you do?

1) Call OOP? with what part of your range?
2) 4 bet? to what size?
imho u can safely ignore balancing in small stakes game, playing tight aggressive is enough most of the time.
If u wanna 3-bet for semi-bluff sometimes, when I would suggest to ensure the following pre-conditions:
- stack is 40+BB
- preferably IP
- hand you bluff with has some blockers of 4-bet range
- if OR is not gonna fold, then the selected hand should be playable, like A5s
- if OR has the stack that he only 4-bets/folds with, choose hands outside of the calling range, but call with playable hands.

As for V's opening range, let's say it is 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+ ,JTo. if I face 3-bet from seemingly tight player, I would just call with most of my range.
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10-10-2018 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WHO_RUNIT
You guys correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a 27bb stack a little shallow to be 3-betting lite? It looks like there is an awkward spr. I kinda thought you wanted to be a little deeper.
It is a bit on the small side but 3b bluffing with 30-ish BB effective can be a very powerful move because it forces your opponent to play for stacks or fold. He can't really call the 3b and play postflop so he's forced to shove or give up.
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