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Old 05-15-2017, 06:18 PM   #1
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$3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 1,500/3,000 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 10.82 BB (VPIP: 14.00, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 100)
MP: 24.04 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP+1: 32.81 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
MP+2: 39.32 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 11.36, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 44)
CO: 4.32 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 5.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
BTN: 20.05 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 21.79 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 46.5 BB (VPIP: 40.74, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (UTG): 41.61 BB

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has K A

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, MP calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (8.9 BB, 3 players) 7 7 K
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, fold, BB raises to 12.96 BB, Hero calls 7.96 BB

Turn: (34.83 BB, 2 players) 6
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Tough spot I found myself in late in a 3.30 tourney on ACR. Any thoughts?
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Old 05-15-2017, 08:24 PM   #2
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

what does BB do OTT?
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Old 05-15-2017, 08:28 PM   #3
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

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what does BB do OTT?
Whoops. Accidentally cut that out. He jams

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 10.82 BB (VPIP: 14.00, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 100)
MP: 24.04 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP+1: 32.81 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
MP+2: 39.32 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 11.36, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 44)
CO: 4.32 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 5.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
BTN: 20.05 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 21.79 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 46.5 BB (VPIP: 40.74, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (UTG): 41.61 BB

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has K A

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, MP calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (8.9 BB, 3 players) 7 7 K
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, fold, BB raises to 12.96 BB, Hero calls 7.96 BB

Turn: (34.83 BB, 2 players) 6
BB bets 14.81 BB,
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Old 05-16-2017, 03:06 AM   #4
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

Don't fold.
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Old 05-16-2017, 03:22 AM   #5
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

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Don't fold.
I concur.
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:08 AM   #6
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

i guess it's really depend on reads..
if u see V on BB as a fish and that's why u cbet flop that big, i think you should go to calldown.
if not, when you cbet it to 3way pot you are pretty face up.. i think a decent V should almost always just call w/ FD so maybe we will need to throw it away to a x/r, but a weak one can do it even w/ a weaker K or pp.

i don't see a senario when he stops otr, so you need to choose your act by read..if you don't know, i prefer to throw the hand and find an easy spots..
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:04 AM   #7
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

Well I probably messed it up because I folded haha. I don't have any specific reads on this guy except for him playing a lot of hands. His VPIP was around 40.

I think in my own head, the c/r really polarized his range. Given that he was coming from the BB, I thought it may increase the chances of him have a 7 in his range. I suppose I could tack on the fact that he's calling 40% of hands to increase the chances of him having a 7. But AK might just be too strong. He could be doing it with a pocket par, KQ, or flush draw too. Is this line of reasoning at least correct and I was just too tight?
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Old 05-16-2017, 08:35 AM   #8
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

Flush draw would x/shove. Hes also been pretty aggressive pre over a small sample, so we have to assume he'd 3b AA pre.

So hard to figure out what his range is without a better read. With a hand like Kx a decent player would just x/c, but he might make this move trying to get you to fold a better K (which you did). Could also be a middle pair or 7x.

Here's a question though: why call the x/r if you're going to fold to a trash turn card getting 3:1 odds? You have a made hand so you're not calling to draw out. If you're good on the flop, you're good on the turn; if you're dead on the flop, you shouldn't be calling the x/r.

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Old 05-16-2017, 08:39 AM   #9
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

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Flush draw would x/shove. Hes also been pretty aggressive pre over a small sample, so we have to assume he'd 3b AA pre.

So hard to figure out what his range is without a better read. With a hand like Kx a decent player would just x/c, but he might make this move trying to get you to fold a better K (which you did). Could also be a middle pair or 7x.

Here's a question though: why call the x/r if you're going to fold to a trash turn card getting 3:1 odds? You have a made hand so you're not calling to draw out. If you're good on the flop, you're good on the turn; if you're dead on the flop, you shouldn't be calling the x/r.
This seems pretty accurate to me although these days the 1st sentence may not always be correct especially in donkaments...
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Old 05-16-2017, 08:46 AM   #10
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This seems pretty accurate to me although these days the 1st sentence may not always be correct especially in donkaments...
He'd either x/c or x/shove with a FD, he definitely wouldn't go for this size x/r.

The more I think about it the more I think his move screams strength. Hes leaving himself with such a small river bet that it really looks like a pot-building x/r.

Given that you're putting your tourney life on the line here I don't think folding to the x/r is terrible. But either fold the flop or go all the way; calling the flop to fold the turn makes little sense.

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Old 05-16-2017, 05:46 PM   #11
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

Lots of good info here guys, thanks! I think it's a bit of a tough call. The one mistake I'm sure I made was calling the flop without planning on calling the turn. Question though, if I know that I'm going to commit my stack on the flop, should I just flat his check raise or should I Just go ahead and jam all in on the flop?
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:54 PM   #12
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

Just call and keep his bluffs in there. Jamming doesn't accomplish very much, just a very small amount of protection against some of his hands or losing value on later streets. The benefits of jamming here are far outweighed by the negatives I think.

I can't really see myself ever folding in this spot to this villain we can't discount anything from his range because players like this will turn up with a lot of different hands, but I'm pretty sure we're ahead of most of it.
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:06 PM   #13
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Just call and keep his bluffs in there. Jamming doesn't accomplish very much, just a very small amount of protection against some of his hands or losing value on later streets. The benefits of jamming here are far outweighed by the negatives I think.

I can't really see myself ever folding in this spot to this villain we can't discount anything from his range because players like this will turn up with a lot of different hands, but I'm pretty sure we're ahead of most of it.
Thanks for the insight! Yeah, unfortunately I think I had a case of wanting to get my money in better for my tourney life but we all know that that will cause problems, especially late when it takes some risks to advance. And I'm glad you pointed out the shove/flat question. That makes a lot of sense.
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:12 PM   #14
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

I definitely consider that logic of which spots we want to risk our tournament life in and which ones we don't, but I think top pair top kicker against this type of villain on this board with 40bb to start the hand we're going for it here.

By the way, when we call the flop here it's the same as going all in from our perspective, just he doesn't know that. We aren't folding ever we are just allowing him to bluff/spaz off the rest.
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:16 PM   #15
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I definitely consider that logic of which spots we want to risk our tournament life in and which ones we don't, but I think top pair top kicker against this type of villain on this board with 40bb to start the hand we're going for it here.

By the way, when we call the flop here it's the same as going all in from our perspective, just he doesn't know that. We aren't folding ever we are just allowing him to bluff/spaz off the rest.
That makes perfect sense. Ideally, if he has something like KQ, 1010, we're letting him do the work for us
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Old 05-16-2017, 08:23 PM   #16
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Re: $3.30 MTT facing c/r late in tourney

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Old 05-18-2017, 03:30 PM   #17
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Lots of good info here guys, thanks! I think it's a bit of a tough call. The one mistake I'm sure I made was calling the flop without planning on calling the turn. Question though, if I know that I'm going to commit my stack on the flop, should I just flat his check raise or should I Just go ahead and jam all in on the flop?
Jamming flop is overplaying your hand. It also makes the pot too huge fpr your current hand strength.

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I definitely consider that logic of which spots we want to risk our tournament life in and which ones we don't, but I think top pair top kicker against this type of villain on this board with 40bb to start the hand we're going for it here.

By the way, when we call the flop here it's the same as going all in from our perspective, just he doesn't know that. We aren't folding ever we are just allowing him to bluff/spaz off the rest.
I wouldn't say calling flop is same as going all in but yeah dont fold this turn. We can fold sometimes if a diamond came in etc.
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