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06-04-2020 , 06:04 PM

Theagent77

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Early/mid stages of a very small stakes MTT

Villain is a 26/18/8.3 over 40 hands

PokerStars - 150/300 Ante 40 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

MP+1: 10,273 (34.2 bb)
CO: 27,097 (90.3 bb)
BTN: 11,799 (39.3 bb)
SB: 6,608 (22 bb)
BB: 1,330 (4.4 bb)
Hero (UTG): 7,327 (24.4 bb)
UTG+1: 25,417 (84.7 bb)
MP: 10,382 (34.6 bb)

8 players post ante of 40, SB posts 150, BB posts 300

Pre Flop: (pot: 770) Hero has T

Hero raises to 600, fold, MP raises to 2,400, 5 folds, Hero???

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06-05-2020 , 10:18 AM

Captain-Hindsight

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I think I probably just fold

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06-06-2020 , 01:00 AM

killer_kill

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Please put 3 cards on the board dealer.

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06-06-2020 , 06:14 AM

oldgoat

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it's kind of close - big 3 bet is usually a tell that it's a big hand - but given that it's very low stakes people can do this with all weird stuff so I would probably just think my hand is strong enough and shove

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06-06-2020 , 12:31 PM

Darth_Maul

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Definitely shove or fold, and it's close. But I probably shove.

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06-06-2020 , 04:23 PM

Theagent77

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Ok, thanks for your replies. Hero shoved and bumped into KK

happy to hear most of you would have done the same

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06-07-2020 , 09:46 PM

killer_kill

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So the shoving people what are we expecting villain to 3b and then call off with?

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06-08-2020 , 04:21 AM

oldgoat

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so if they have a sane range to call off - say 99+,AQ+ we have about 44% when we need 46% to break even - so as long as they have a 3b/f range shove is better than fold - And then people don't always have sane ranges - esp in very low stakes games - people can call off with weak suited aces and the like

I think call is the worst option though - i know you don't get this argument but putting 1/3 of our stack in oop with a hand that doesn't flop well just leaves us playing guessing games

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06-08-2020 , 11:28 AM

TurkeyVoting

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This is a very good place to consider a Stop’n’Go. If you’re unfamiliar I recommmed reading Fossilman’s description in the Sticky

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06-08-2020 , 06:38 PM

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killer_kill

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Ok if their call off range is 99+/AQ+ then they'd be 3b like 66+/AT to our utg open?

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06-08-2020 , 07:50 PM

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HUHandEH

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Jam the second time, it's 25bb's, start up another tourney

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06-10-2020 , 03:55 AM

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oldgoat

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

Ok if their call off range is 99+/AQ+ then they'd be 3b like 66+/AT to our utg open?

no - not so wide and a bit more random - we can expect most to the 3b range to call off with 4x 3b - but there will be quite a bit of randomness in both population 3b/f and 3b/c ranges if this is 1$ or lower. So I think shove is Ok - even if the call off range i gave is a little too wide . but close - like i said.
maybe an expoitative fold is better to this sizing - don't like the call tho

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06-10-2020 , 07:09 PM

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killer_kill

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Well that's my point is if their range has that little disparity between the 3b and call range then by jamming we simply get in against the best and we're not folding any 50/50 hands. So thus we should flat since we're not that great against that range anyways.

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06-11-2020 , 02:54 AM

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Theagent77

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Actually I was torn between reshoving pre and flatting and donk-shoving any flop. I felt in my gut Villain would call pre whatever I did, so as long I have even a small chance to make him fold on the flop, probably stop and go would be a better option - as a user above suggested. I really like stop and go play, don't know why I didn't do it

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06-11-2020 , 05:50 AM

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takeitAll

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Shove or fold. You dont want to se J or Q on a board, if you just call 3bet OOP.

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06-11-2020 , 09:57 PM

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killer_kill

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Originally Posted by Theagent77

Exactly. If there's basically no disparity between the 3b and call range then it's exponentially better to let 3 roll off and evaluate.

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06-22-2020 , 03:30 AM

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chav

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There is no point in re shoving if he is never folding.Go for the stop and go however if board comes nasty like AKQ(J) i would simply check fold.

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