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Old 05-07-2017, 02:28 PM   #1
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2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

27m bubble just broke and V is new to the table. do you call here? what about in BB?

    Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37721409

    UTG+1: 11,621 (14.5 bb)
    UTG+2: 10,730 (13.4 bb)
    MP1: 13,542 (16.9 bb)
    MP2: 14,096 (17.6 bb)
    MP3: 6,951 (8.7 bb)
    CO: 7,250 (9.1 bb)
    BTN: 2,129 (2.7 bb)
    Hero (SB): 11,067 (13.8 bb)
    BB: 7,275 (9.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 A
    5 folds, CO raises to 7,175 and is all-in, 3 folds

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    Old 05-07-2017, 09:16 PM   #2
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    Hi! I would not have called against many broadways its almost a flip, I would play A7s+, KJs+ KQo something like that, sorry for my english it's not my native language
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    Old 05-07-2017, 09:28 PM   #3
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

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    Hi! I would not have called against many broadways its almost a flip, I would play A7s+, KJs+ KQo something like that, sorry for my english it's not my native language
    you're doing fine. Thanks for the input.

    14% would be:
    66+, A7s, K9s, QTs, JTs, ATo, KJo

    which looks reasonable
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    Old 05-08-2017, 01:01 AM   #4
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    I take that back, I did an ICMIZER (after all that's what it's for) and got:
    44+ A7s+ A9o+ KQs

    gj Daniel you we're just about bang on
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    Old 05-08-2017, 06:06 AM   #5
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    that range seems too tight to me.

    I used hrc in chip mode and got:

    22+,Ax, BW,K8s

    there is a little icm going on, so i would personally shove a little tighter:

    33+,A6+,A2s,KT+QT, K9s
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    Old 05-08-2017, 07:30 AM   #6
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

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    I take that back, I did an ICMIZER (after all that's what it's for) and got:
    44+ A7s+ A9o+ KQs

    gj Daniel you we're just about bang on
    Ey, thank you. I don't know if you read me in the other forum but I would like to study with you, what you think about that?

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    Old 05-08-2017, 04:57 PM   #7
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    @captain

    Did you use icm (last 4 tables) using icmizer or just chip ev?
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    Old 05-08-2017, 07:42 PM   #8
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

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    @captain

    Did you use icm (last 4 tables) using icmizer or just chip ev?
    I did an ICM $EV
    180 9-max, 27 players left random, gave V a 25% shove and BB an 11% overcall
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    Old 05-09-2017, 05:24 AM   #9
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

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    I did an ICM $EV
    180 9-max, 27 players left random, gave V a 25% shove and BB an 11% overcall
    makes sense. but do you really think we should call that much tighter then chip ev? I mean, we are sooo far off the big payouts. I can totally agree that we should call a little tighter. But by this much?
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    Old 05-09-2017, 02:26 PM   #10
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

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    makes sense. but do you really think we should call that much tighter then chip ev? I mean, we are sooo far off the big payouts. I can totally agree that we should call a little tighter. But by this much?

    you're using Nash ranges in hrc right? I think the 9bb shoving range is closer to 33% which would explain the difference. I wouldn't assume V is shoving this wide having not played with them much.

    I gotta just buy ICMIZER, I keep running out of trials. Tomorrow I'll run it with Nash ranges and we can compare the difference
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    Old 05-09-2017, 02:38 PM   #11
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    yeah hrc with nash range (34% out of my head).
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    Old 05-10-2017, 01:15 AM   #12
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    $ICM EV is still significantly tighter than Chip EV despite how far we are from the big payouts
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    Old 05-10-2017, 05:06 AM   #13
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

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    $ICM EV is still significantly tighter than Chip EV despite how far we are from the big payouts
    yeah i know icm calculators say that it is. but chip utility is a thing icm calcs have difficulty in taking into effect. i dont know, maybe im wrong, but calling that tight 26left is not optimal i think.
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    Old 05-10-2017, 06:02 PM   #14
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    I don't pretend to be a master of ICM but I like to think the guys who made the calculator are. In general I still shove almost as loose but tighten my calling range
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    Old 05-15-2017, 08:23 PM   #15
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    forget icm when the bubble just broke. id be calling A7o,A5s,KJo,K10s,44+. im calling tighter then nash not because of icm but because most villains wont be jamming that wide so cut off the worst hands.
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    Old 05-16-2017, 10:12 AM   #16
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

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    forget icm when the bubble just broke. id be calling A7o,A5s,KJo,K10s,44+. im calling tighter then nash not because of icm but because most villains wont be jamming that wide so cut off the worst hands.
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    Old 05-21-2017, 05:27 AM   #17
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    i think depends a lot of villain tendencies and the estimate the range to call/fold, not using some stereotip ranges!
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    Old 06-05-2017, 04:55 PM   #18
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

    With bubble done there is what less then 30 left ? ICM doesn't apply when there is that many left.

    You just want to take good spots to double up.

    A5o is really borderline.. I would call a 10BB raise with A8+o so i would say u need A7+o or 55+ to call.. I wouldn't call with KQs, KJs u can just lose to A2o (KQs vs A2o ur less then 46% to win not good when ur calling an all-in with almost all ur stack)
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    Old 06-15-2017, 07:31 AM   #19
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

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    that range seems too tight to me.

    I used hrc in chip mode and got:

    22+,Ax, BW,K8s

    there is a little icm going on, so i would personally shove a little tighter:

    33+,A6+,A2s,KT+QT, K9s
    Would you really reshove QTo in preference to K8s here? I don't see why it's better except against a few specific hands.

    My own calling range here would be no wider than 44+, A7s+, KJs+, A8o+, KQo - but then I'm a nit.
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    Old 06-15-2017, 07:51 PM   #20
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    Re: 2.5 180m calling off Ax in blinds

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    With bubble done there is what less then 30 left ? ICM doesn't apply when there is that many left.

    You just want to take good spots to double up.

    A5o is really borderline.. I would call a 10BB raise with A8+o so i would say u need A7+o or 55+ to call.. I wouldn't call with KQs, KJs u can just lose to A2o (KQs vs A2o ur less then 46% to win not good when ur calling an all-in with almost all ur stack)
    KQs is a snap call and its not even close , Even if we knew he had A2 exactly we should still be calling.
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