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11-30-2017 , 03:13 PM
As I said, in game I'm probably calling as well, but the more I look at how the hand played out the more it makes some sense. There are definitely str8 combos in BB's range after the action pre flop. It's not a hand some people will play after the action before him, but we have stated in this thread that it is a micro MTT so we can't exclude hands that make the str8 OTR from BB's range. And yes it wasn't a massive overbet, but I really think that Kx might just check OTR and seeing as we have a K blocker it's less likely that they have Kx.
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11-30-2017 , 03:28 PM
If we're not excluding 63o, then you shouldn't exclude bluffs and Kx. Only calling off 77/44 is bad.
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11-30-2017 , 03:56 PM
I just don't see Kx playing this way and I take Kx more out of the equation because of blockers not completely out but still. And I don't see pure bluffs doing this unless it's a know maniac
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11-30-2017 , 04:00 PM
if he's calling to river with 63o, then he is calling down with a wide variety of hands - Qc4c, Jc4c, Ac4c, 65o, every pair, potentially Ace high, etc. You are assuming he is calling down flop/turn with 0% intention of bluffing rivers....why would he call down so wide if he never attempts a bluff? And why don't you see Kx playing it this way? Most of OP's range checks back river and a $2 player will obv think any Kx is the nuts
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11-30-2017 , 04:35 PM
I just think Kx continues to check, why wouldn't he have raised the turn? Why is he now just piling in for full value if he potentially knows his kicker isn't any good? Also, people at these stakes will call down light without any intention on bluffing the river, they just want to see if they can "hit" their card and if they don't they usually give up. I'm not saying that's what villains intentions were, but I can definitely see that happening.
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11-30-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RPMcMurphy
If we're not excluding 63o, then you shouldn't exclude bluffs and Kx. Only calling off 77/44 is bad.
There is a big difference between a micro stakes player calling with bad cards and chasing gutters on the one hand, and overbet bluffing the river on the other. There are plenty of micro stakes players who do the former but not the latter. You can't assume that $2 players will play properly balanced.

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11-30-2017 , 05:13 PM
This thread has taught me a lot about micro stakes players
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12-01-2017 , 01:34 AM
There's a reason why we call it a trip😁.

I'm not sure, but I think the turn should be more to extract value from the fish, if he had raised OTF, or OTT I might be inclined to fold to the shove.

As played call, and tag the turd for chasing gutterballs.
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12-03-2017 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RPMcMurphy
You are assuming he is calling down flop/turn with 0% intention of bluffing rivers....why would he call down so wide if he never attempts a bluff?
That would be a fair assumption in a $2.2 until proven otherwise #TheyAlwaysHaveIt

But I still snap in game unfortunately. Be like "why is he betting so big lol? he wants me to fold", "Why didn't he go for the check jam? no hand in my range that calls wouldnt bet for value"
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01-02-2018 , 10:22 PM
Very interesting hand. But for me the mistakes are the bet sizing. This has put the hero in a horrible spot on the river. The flop bet is less than 1/3 of the pot. I prob would bet about 60% of the pot in this instance.

Am I too one dimensional if I am thinking that I have to bet larger on the flop and turn to protect my hand /extract value from weaker players?
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01-02-2018 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by longtraw
Very interesting hand. But for me the mistakes are the bet sizing. This has put the hero in a horrible spot on the river. The flop bet is less than 1/3 of the pot. I prob would bet about 60% of the pot in this instance.

Am I too one dimensional if I am thinking that I have to bet larger on the flop and turn to protect my hand /extract value from weaker players?
No not really, sizing considerations in the micros are different to med - high stakes.

This is because we see alot of fish and rec players in the micros who are in a general sense playing looser and stationing alot more than higher stakes. This means we can increase our sizing slightly to extract that little bit of extra value / protection from our hand. As mentioned their calling ranges hardly change facing a 45% bet vs a 33% so it makes sense to go for that extra value when we can go we can gain more chips when we hold the best hand.

If we are playing a super high roller small bets like 33% pot are pretty standard because thats all that is needed to get the job done and people station alot less
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