hey all im new to mtt and not sure whats better.
is it better to shove or min raise and snap off vs a ship.

villain wasnt super tight but not many stats on him. Im just looking for general advice in this spot not sure how to approach it.


Hold'em No Limit - $400/$800 ($100 ante) - 7 players

jwill83 (UTG): $16,128.00 (20 bb)
chikenFly (MP): $25,541.00 (32 bb)
jonz4cy (MP+1): $21,904.00 (27 bb)
bronx (CO): $13,462.00 (17 bb)
Upay4myW33D (BU): $28,450.00 (36 bb)
Naplolwhat (SB): $28,659.00 (36 bb)
Voogoo (BB): $29,660.00 (37 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1,900) Hero (bronx) is CO with A♥ Q♠
3 players fold, bronx (CO) raises to $1,600, 2 players fold, Voogoo (BB) calls $800

Flop: ($4,300) T♣ 2♣ K♥ (2 players)
Voogoo (BB) checks, bronx (CO) checks

Turn: ($4,300) 2♦ (2 players)
Voogoo (BB) bets $2,000, bronx (CO) folds

Total pot: $4,300 (Rake: $0)
Voogoo (BB) wins $4,300

I personally dont mind ripping pre, we can have a perceived wide range from this position. AJ,AT,KQ or pairs are going to have a hard time folding. If the stack behind were shorter and have good rejam equity than r/c becomes closer.

I don't think you can really go too wrong here either way tbh.

Rip vs MR depend on a whole bunch of variables for me, such as:
- stage in tourney
- competence of villains left to act
- confidence in our post flop game vs villains

Both are pretty legitimate options. Just to play devil's advocate here, some people I know have called to minraise all hands that aren't folding, thus being able to r/c with good hands and r/f with worse hands. However, this puts a large part of the minraise range in a bad spot (small pairs, KJ, A10 etc) when shoved on, and seeing a blank flop is never ideal. Thus, while both options are quite ok (I personally would go with the shove, just as a personal preference and because I'm not that confident post flop), base your play on the opponents / stacksizes you're playing into, your image and if there are ICM considerations.

ok thanks all

Shove or raise won't matter much, basically what other posters said. Otf though bet 30%, and def dont fold turn as played. You are ahead of his bluffs, have outs to the semi nuts etc.

@that_anon i dont think cbetting is good here it hits his flatting range hard. ott i prob should of called though i agree. Unless i really underestimate what they flat with like 68s type stuff.

You're thinking wrong. Look up a BB defend range, what he shoves pre vs a co open from 17bbs and see how much he is forced to fold on the flop.

Yeah I agree with that_anon_pgc, cbetting here is mandatory here if we min raise.

Not only does it look nutted, but on this stack depth it's going to make one of our best Cbet bluffs (given we should be opening a tight range on this stack size).


Best part is on this static of a board we can get away with betting something ridiculous like 1/5 pot

Agree!

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ok thanks all makes sense

Definitely make a small cbet on flop. Otherwise you're just playing to hit flops with AQ and mostly losing when you don't. With that said, I'm just shoving pre most of the time in this spot.

I'd rather rip pre with hands like 55 cause those don't flop well and we can't finesse our position then. If we had like sub 14 blinds I'd like jamming more.

These hands make good open jams also because we deny our opponents rejam equity with hands like QJs and what not.

Min raise is fine and I would cbet this flop to an amount that sets up a turn shove. Hits your range pretty well and you have outs to the nuts. BB can defend fairly wide and will c/f a lot on this board texture. I'm piling non club blanks that don't improve my hand when called. If I pair the queen I would look to check turn and evaluate river. Probably the same on an ace and vbet if checked to on the river.

if we rip 55 should we not rip AQs tho?

coz then he will be flipping or dominated vs us when he calls with 33-44

I just feel we look really weak shoving here, we can potentially even shove some QJs,KJs sometimes so if KQ folds vs us he is folding the best hand sometimes...

Don't hate r/c and I think if we had 18-19bb I would def be opening but 17bb its great to use our fe and maximise our double equity

wao mtt community is awesome thanks all

We're in the co we need to be able to r/f hands too. Hands like aq block their 3b value range and flop better where 55 has no blocker equity vs Ax hands and they can 3b jam more combos.