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09-25-2017 , 09:13 PM
    Poker Stars, $24.55 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (SB): 18,283 (73.1 bb)
    BB: 9,710 (38.8 bb)
    UTG+1: 18,762 (75 bb)
    UTG+2: 29,661 (118.6 bb)
    MP1: 31,220 (124.9 bb)
    MP2: 25,458 (101.8 bb)
    MP3: 51,410 (205.6 bb)
    CO: 33,250 (133 bb)
    BTN: 39,844 (159.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
    5 folds, CO raises to 625, BTN raises to 2,125, Hero raises to 4,750, 2 folds, BTN calls 2,625

    Flop: (10,645) 7 T Q (2 players)
    Hero bets 3,250, BTN calls 3,250

    Turn: (17,145) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: (17,145) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks



    V was some reg, std stats but he showed aggression every now and then as far as I remember. I don't really remember my image at that table tho. No point in trapping anyway.
    This flop fits his range perfectly, tho I'm not sure about my line & sizing.
    I guess if he trapped AA/QQ/TT it's just gg ul so gotta call any reshove anyway. But I probably won't get value if I bet more on the flop. And a bet, check, shove line looks very strong OTR. I don't see any way to get more value here, at least on the river - but I think I could have a very thin turn valuebet(shove).
    Thoughts?
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    09-25-2017 , 09:39 PM
    I think we can be the river here for value once the board pairs. If you get jammed on then you can puke.
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    09-25-2017 , 10:00 PM
    Jam turn. We have ~40pct of our stack in after flop. I'm not folding, so I'm wanting to charge the highest price for his draws.

    I think if we go slightly bigger pre, we can just set up flop jam.
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    09-25-2017 , 11:37 PM
    Actually yeah I dont think anyone is slow playing anything your behind on that board too often so jamming turn is prob correct. Giving a free card prob is a mistake.
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    09-25-2017 , 11:58 PM
    Can't check turn here. Villain's call on flop could be draw (KJ or clubs) but is seldom AA or set, which probably raises a lot with two clubs on board and draw-heavy board, so need to get value on turn and not give him a free card. If he's on a draw, he might pay you on turn but will not pay on river if he misses. On this river, still probably make small value bet and hope that AQ will call. Little risk. If he's crazy enough to jam-raise with air then it's a tough spot, but if you got value on river then check-check or even check-call on river is fine.
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    09-26-2017 , 01:42 AM
    You can check or bet flop
    But jam turn if you bet flop on this turn card
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    09-26-2017 , 07:05 AM
    +1 on shove turn

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
    I think we can be the river here for value once the board pairs. If you get jammed on then you can puke.
    i cant see any relation between board being paired as it is(or if any blank card comes for the matter of speaking) and value betting. if he's even 3betting QTs and then defending it from cold 4bet that's still only two combos.
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    09-29-2017 , 06:06 AM
    jam flop
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    09-29-2017 , 10:40 AM
    Prolly jam turn, we don't want to give him free cards on that board. He has only 6 combos of TT/QQ that are crushing us OTT, can't see anything else that beat us, so let's take value.

    My only doubt is... Wouldn't it be a great move to just call the 4bet on the BU with AA in this spot? If so... Would V correctly push OTF or just call?
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    09-29-2017 , 02:16 PM
    Think the small flop bet size is perfect to set up a 1/2-2/3 pot shove on the turn, putting hands like Qx and flush draws in a brutal spot. Villain probably doesn't have QT that often so you really only lose to trapped AA and sets and you'd assume 77 and TT raise flop.

    Also think flop shove is reasonable if you think villain often calls it off w/top pair and draws, although having KK here isn't the best because KJ is a hand you want your opponent to have.
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    09-29-2017 , 03:07 PM
    Pre i would go with a slight bigger sizing since we are OOP and 70+BB effective, bet flop, jamm turn.
    I would check flop if I'll hold Kc, but don't really like to check this draw heavy board in general (unless u have a lot of history/dynamics with V)
    Otr I would jamm obv , gonna have some bluffs/hands that don't have SDV.



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    10-04-2017 , 12:04 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wowsooooted
    jam flop
    Definitely this.
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    10-04-2017 , 02:01 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Marecki
    And a bet, check, shove line looks very strong OTR. I don't see any way to get more value here, at least on the river - but I think I could have a very thin turn valuebet(shove).
    Thoughts?
    If you check this flop it should be with the intention of crai.

    Given that you bet the flop, the turn is an easy shove. If he has a draw you are pricing him out, there are definitely worse hands that will call you after the pot is so large.

    Check the river after checking the turn is criminal. You are giving up so much equity. Your hand looks way more like AK than it does KK. All-in on the river. Let him call you with JJ, a T, a Q, maybe the even he hero calls with a small pair.

    When you get hands like this you need to maximize the amount of chips you make so that you can get a big stack to win the tournament.
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    10-05-2017 , 11:29 AM
    I don't like a flop jam here. Both hands here are pretty polarized with a cold 4b from the SB and a flat (AQ+,9Ts+ and maybe 77+). What's calling your jam that you're happy about? A few combos of AQ (which shouldn't be because you're repping AQs+ and JJ+)? You're only 55/45 against AcKc and you're an underdog against any middle suited club connectors that have straight possibilities or a Tc. If you're going to get the chips in anyway, I think your best way of getting value if you think he's got AQ or anything you're a favorite against, is a check to induce a bet/jam by V. If he checks behind I feel better about jamming a non-club turn for protection and you may get value out of it because it may look like a bluff.

    And as played, yes, I'm 100% betting the river after it pairs against any villain. 100%.

    Last edited by HawkesDave; 10-05-2017 at 11:38 AM.
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    10-05-2017 , 11:41 AM
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    Originally Posted by steinerbest
    My only doubt is... Wouldn't it be a great move to just call the 4bet on the BU with AA in this spot? If so... Would V correctly push OTF or just call?
    If he has AcAx then a push OTF is probably not the best play since hero's range is super strong and no longer includes AcKc. There's not much that V would want to push around here and is only betting vs. KK for value. He'd probably be more likely to check/call it down. A Ten on the turn is probably his scariest card in this situation since it literally gives hero every hand and a 6-card straight draw on KK.
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    10-05-2017 , 12:16 PM
    OP, what does your 4bet range look like?
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    10-05-2017 , 06:51 PM
    I guess in this spot vs a fairly aggressive 3bettor QQ/JJ+, AK? and few (or all) combos of A2-A5s cuz i like using them because of blockers and some nut potential.
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    10-06-2017 , 08:10 AM
    Ok but... Did he finally mucked JJ or AQ?
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    10-06-2017 , 09:48 AM
    AK
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