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11 eur rebuy. Double slowplayed K K, should we valuejam river? 11 eur rebuy. Double slowplayed K K, should we valuejam river?

12-13-2017 , 05:13 PM
Slowplayed pre, since CO was opening fairly wide but folded to 3b a lot. Slowplay good with top set on rainbow flop? Should bet flop, if there was a flushdraw? On the river we lose to 20 combos of 76o/76s and 3/2s. Not sure how many people are defending 76o and 3 2s on Micorgaming, standard on Stars, when it comes to 10% antes? There is 18 combos of 44,55,88 and A8/A8s, which almost certainly wont find a river fold to a jam. I guess now it comes down to how often can we see people capable of folding their 85,85 and 45 type of 2 pair to a river jam and how often you see people lead the turn with A 5, A 4 type of hands.

Microgaming - 2,400/4,800 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 295,715 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 31.58, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 21)
UTG: 93,757 (VPIP: 24.26, PFR: 18.54, 3Bet Preflop: 8.75, Hands: 1,040)
CO: 128,583 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 21.50, 3Bet Preflop: 9.24, Hands: 832)
Hero (BTN): 179,045
SB: 237,900 (VPIP: 22.15, PFR: 17.06, 3Bet Preflop: 8.21, Hands: 776)

5 players post ante of 1,200, SB posts SB 2,400, BB posts BB 4,800

Pre Flop: (pot: 13,200) Hero has K K

fold, CO raises to 9,600, Hero calls 9,600, fold, BB calls 4,800

Flop: (37,200, 3 players) 5 K 8
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (37,200, 3 players) 4
BB bets 24,000, fold, Hero calls 24,000

River: (85,200, 2 players) A
BB bets 43,200
11 eur rebuy. Double slowplayed K K, should we valuejam river? Quote
12-13-2017 , 06:54 PM
Think we should be looking for 3 streets of value and so betting the flop at this depth.
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12-14-2017 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Corpsey
Think we should be looking for 3 streets of value and so betting the flop at this depth.
dont really agree here, think checking back flop is fine allow the vils to catch up. That board is really dry and nothing is really calling a bet since we block 3/4 kings. SO only thing we get value from is a smaller set which we will get later on the hand.

Checking and allowing vils to catch up, hit trips, two pair or an ace and getting two streets later is stronger than cb flop and pick up the middle.

You're over thinking for sure, this is a standard value jam. If vil has 76 then what ever, but u get called by sets, two pairs and strong aces.
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12-14-2017 , 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corpsey
Think we should be looking for 3 streets of value and so betting the flop at this depth.
What hands you getting 3 streets of value from given the texture of the flop and the blockers in hero's hand?
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12-14-2017 , 06:59 PM
2p+?

Can definitely see the merits to checking back though.
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12-16-2017 , 05:58 AM
This is something I recently added to my own game: checking back a monster hand on a rainbow board. This seems to be working pretty good, so I totally agree.

I less like slowplaying the KK preflop because you lose a lot of value when the Ace hits

The river seems to be a shove to me too. You'll miss value against two pair, lower sets if you just call, and the straight is just less likely. Jam and hope for the best
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12-16-2017 , 10:28 AM
I like not jamming river, but maybe a little over min raise.

We're not worried about a straight at all. BB didn't have demanding pot odds to play 76. And CO most likely isn't opening with 76s.

I like checking flop. Very dry board so we're unlikely to get calls if we bet.

I think we should definitely raise the turn. If he is on a flush draw, we want to charge him the maximum.

River is a non-spade A. So now we know we have the best hand. We need to figure out a bet size that will get us paid. Fortunately he leads out. If we jam, he'll likely fold. But if we min-raise (or maybe a little more than min-raise), we can offer him decent pot odds to call with his 2P or TP.
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