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02-12-2019 , 03:36 PM

Captain-Hindsight

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I wanted to talk a little about the turn. river was kinda interesting too but the turn is a spot we're all in a lot and i wanted to get peoples philosophy on betting vs checking.

40 hands in 90/180 blinds

UTG+1 138bb 27/16/42
Hero BTN 54bb 22/16/56
sb 100bb 33/4/59

delt to hero K

UTG +1 opens to 2.2bb, hero calls, Sb calls

flop 9 bb - 10

check, check hero bets 3.6bb, fold, UTG+1 calls

turn 16.2bb - 6

checks, hero bets 6.5bb, call

river 29.3bb 7

V bets 22bb, hero folds

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02-12-2019 , 05:14 PM

killer_kill

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Fold preflop and check flop as played.

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02-12-2019 , 05:26 PM

jjpregler

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Fold preflop. I would call with KTs maybe, but KTo is just junk.

I'm ok with the flop bet after it checks to you. But I probably would pot control the turn planning to call a river on all non-Ace rivers.

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02-12-2019 , 07:34 PM

Darth_Maul

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Just in case it wasn't clear, fold preflop.

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02-12-2019 , 07:35 PM

Captain-Hindsight

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i do think it is kinda close with 50bb deep on the BTN and PFR is kinda loose, plus it's a PKO so our implied odds are better. but point taken folding pre

lets just pretend it was KcTc

what's the logic behind check flop?

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02-12-2019 , 08:15 PM

SHIP_DAT

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3 handed IP I'm not checking flop. Check back turn though.

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02-12-2019 , 10:09 PM

Captain-Hindsight

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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT

3 handed IP I'm not checking flop. Check back turn though.

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fair enough, are we checking back 100%? I think we're close to the top of our range so if we dont bet K10 here I'm not sure what we do bet with

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02-12-2019 , 10:37 PM

SHIP_DAT

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Probably close to 100% we really don't need much balance as 54s combos are the only bluff we're barreling with any significant frequency. Getting x/r is going to suck with pretty much our entire value range so I'm good with rarely firing turn.

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02-13-2019 , 03:01 AM

bumpnrun

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I assume this isn’t 3 handed in which case fold pre unless we have a big edge post flop

Checking flop is silly when we can get called by so much worse. Turn could be bet as well, weaker 10s will continue and if he has a 6 he’s going to let us know but we are normally looking for 2 streets of value here so checking with intention of small value bet on good rivers is fine too

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02-13-2019 , 07:50 AM

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Captain-Hindsight

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Originally Posted by bumpnrun

I assume this isn’t 3 handed in which case fold pre unless we have a big edge post flop

Table is 9 handed

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02-13-2019 , 11:47 AM

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SHIP_DAT

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My thought is if we are going 2 streets of value a lot of V flop floats turn into bluffs on the river that we catch

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02-13-2019 , 12:02 PM

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streetwalkincheeta

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Pre is whatever I think.

Post looks good.

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02-13-2019 , 06:40 PM

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jjpregler

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Originally Posted by Captain-Hindsight

16 PFR is not loose to me. That seems sort of standard for PFR. His 27 VPIP maybe loose, but because a player has loose passive range does not mean his aggression range is as loose. PFR stats take precedence in this situation.

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02-13-2019 , 07:00 PM

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Captain-Hindsight

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what I meant was he has loose tendencies, and while a 27/16 doesn't indicate a loose pre flop raising range, it does indicate a weak player

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02-14-2019 , 03:53 AM

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Pouled

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27/16 in 40 hands doesn't tell you anything...dont rely on small samples ( yes, its a leak bro)

Fold pre first
As played you have to check one street, you can't go for 3 streets of value.
Checking back the turn and calling any river is a good line , keeping villains range wide to bluffcatch profitably.

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02-14-2019 , 09:01 AM

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Captain-Hindsight

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fair enough, thanks for the input everyone

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02-15-2019 , 12:55 AM

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killer_kill

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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT

We should have more double barrels on the button than that surely. We can throw in QJs with backdoor equity. Not really a fan of double barreling 54s as we can usually just check back turn and try and bink for free when the flop doesn't smash our flop and turn is sort of a brick.

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