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01-31-2024 , 04:14 PM

#51

Mr Spyutastic

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Originally Posted by mrbiz

I think your turn block put something in this guy's head that he could go crazy on the river and get you to fold most anything.

That's an interesting point I didn't think about that.

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01-31-2024 , 10:50 PM

#52

jjjou812

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Nah, he blew through you on the turn with his raise, your turn bet had nothing to do with his river shove.

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01-31-2024 , 10:53 PM

#53

jpgiro

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Think this is just a pure 5-bet pre and as played, just no way we can fold the river when QQ and JJ exist in a BTN vs. SB 4-bet pot.

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02-03-2024 , 07:15 AM

#54

nootilt

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Originally Posted by jpgiro

Think this is just a pure 5-bet pre and as played, just no way we can fold the river when QQ and JJ exist in a BTN vs. SB 4-bet pot.

Exactly. Especially 4 handed against a capable opponent when you are way underreped your hand.

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02-03-2024 , 03:03 PM

#55

Mr Spyutastic

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What do you think 5 bet ranges look like?

So you want to play a bigger pot oop at the deepest stack depth of the tournament vs a capable opponent with the narrowest range of hands?

Doesn't sound great.

Personally at this level I don't have a 5betting range for those reasons unless it's vs a whale.

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02-04-2024 , 12:19 AM

#56

nootaboos

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This thread is giving me a headache.

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02-04-2024 , 01:17 AM

#57

LifeNitFL

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Originally Posted by nootaboos

This thread is giving me a headache.

The most active thread in months and nothing has been resolved

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02-04-2024 , 07:48 AM

#58

nootilt

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic

Not having a 5bet range here is a smart strategy. But then it is pretty obvious you have to call river when you have hands other people wouldn't have(AA, KK). And your opponent doesn't know you have those hands. In a 10k they can easily blast off on level 1 against an unknown, putting you in tough spots(as they have done in this hand).

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02-04-2024 , 12:52 PM

#59

3for3poker

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Originally Posted by LifeNitFL

The most active thread in months and nothing has been resolved

Which means it is a close spot...which means it probably doesn't matter what you do in the long run....

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02-04-2024 , 01:03 PM

#60

LifeNitFL

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Originally Posted by 3for3poker

Which means it is a close spot...which means it probably doesn't matter what you do in the long run....

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02-04-2024 , 04:47 PM

#61

nootaboos

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We should just fold pre and then we don’t need to do all this “thinking”.

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02-04-2024 , 08:04 PM

#62

deuceblocker

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Was this a reentry? Definitely not folding in a reentry. If you bust out KK versus AA the first hand so be it. I wouldn't fold.

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02-04-2024 , 10:51 PM

#63

deuceblocker

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Since you flat called the 4!, from villain's point of view, his range is uncapped, but it is unlikely you have AA/KK.

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02-04-2024 , 11:56 PM

#64

3for3poker

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Originally Posted by deuceblocker

Was this a reentry? Definitely not folding in a reentry. If you bust out KK versus AA the first hand so be it. I wouldn't fold.

IIRC this was single/flight, but at 10K a pop, many might think this is a 'freezeout'.

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02-09-2024 , 03:22 PM

#65

reegz21

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The only way you can really tell where you're at is 5 betting preflop with a little more bloated amount. 27k-30k? If he 6 bets you, you fold. If he flats you may be playing for stacks. I don't envy this spot at all.

Very tough spot. 10's and AA are the only 2 hands that can beat you there. He could've been getting sticky with QQ.

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02-09-2024 , 06:01 PM

#66

nootaboos

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And also like the turn bet, did you really bet 500? Because he might just think you’re a complete donk.

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02-15-2024 , 04:12 PM

#67

ledn

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Originally Posted by reegz21

5betting half your stack pf and folding to a shove feels worse than just folding to a 4bet.

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02-15-2024 , 04:45 PM

#68

LifeNitFL

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Originally Posted by ledn

5betting half your stack pf and folding to a shove feels worse than just folding to a 4bet.

I don't fold KK preflop in tournaments or cash. In my experience people show up with too much AK, QQ, and occasionally other weird stuff.

For example, I just played a live tournament where I had KK UTG+1. UTG opened, I 3 bet, a short stack 4 bet all in for about 10 BBs, and some guy who had just sat down ripped it in for like 60 BBs. I called expecting to see AA very often, but was instead shown a criminally overplayed TT. (The kings held up.)

Then again I've never played a 10k, so I would imagine this kind of nonsense is quite rare there.

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02-16-2024 , 08:13 AM

#69

deuceblocker

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Is he really putting you on KK after the flat of the 4! and the 500 donk bet on the turn?

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02-16-2024 , 08:26 AM

#70

EggsMcBluffin

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Originally Posted by LifeNitFL

The most active thread in months and nothing has been resolved

Its a game of imperfect information, no such thing as resolution only justification.

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02-16-2024 , 10:47 AM

#71

jjjou812

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What a hand to start a tournament of a 10k.... I think I have a headache too.

Last edited by jjjou812; 02-16-2024 at 10:48 AM. Reason: Hell, just call and rebuy.....

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02-17-2024 , 01:51 AM

#72

Mr Spyutastic

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Originally Posted by deuceblocker

Is he really putting you on KK after the flat of the 4! and the 500 donk bet on the turn?

Idk but maybe after I call his large raise putting in a quarter of my stack on one street?

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02-17-2024 , 09:08 PM

#73

nootaboos

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Not everyone is a nit.

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