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06-23-2023 , 03:31 PM
100BB deep. I open KhQx in middle position, get called by the button and the BB. The button has been in a lot of pots, but plays extremely cautiously post. He didn’t even raise when he rivered a straight in a spot where his opponent never had the bigger straight, the only thing that could beat him. The BB was kinda splashy.

The flop was 9h6h3s. A very dynamic flop that doesn’t really help me, and is a spot where I probably shouldn’t be cbetting too frequently. I liked my 3 flush/3 straight enough here to start to build a pot and set up some semi bluffs on the turn. I bet 1/3 and they both call.

Turn is an off suit 5, everyone checks. This card helps their continuing ranges too much for me to try to barrel here, at least that was my thought. Not only that I didn’t hit any of the cards that might help my hand.

The river was the 2h. BB checked, and now I thought I could credibly represent hearts. I bet full pot, as I would with value. Button tank called. BB tank folded. When it was time for showdown, button held his cards in a way that he was ’sure’ I had the flush. When I showed the bluff, he turned over 64 for the rivered straight. BB claimed to have had 44…Not the best time to bluff, into 2 players who made straights. I replayed the hand in my mind. Yes, they could have had 87 for the flopped open ender, but the 4x hands in their ranges just weren’t a big part the way the hand played out.
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06-23-2023 , 07:57 PM
Flop small frequency cbet looks good and can probably work in some larger sizings too

River think 9x (bluff unblocker) and even pairs with a heart (flush blocker and bluff unblocker) gotta call you sometimes and any exploit considerations probably hinge on what they do with their 9x. I'd go larger though; I've been looked up by bottom here too often.
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06-23-2023 , 08:02 PM
Against two players and OOP I'm going to check this flop that hits the BB range hard and probably the BTN as well (though this BTN isn't going to raise). Because the BTN is cautious post flop he is likely to check as well. Then on the turn we get to see if BB leads out or not. If not and any card T+ or a comes on the turn then we can bet like 60% pot and bluff the river as well in case anybody was on a draw.

As played on the river I would prefer to have the A to make a large bluff. Also there are too many straights that got there like 78/54/64/A4 so I would just check/fold on the river.

But given the way you played it, betting the flop (like you had a flush draw) and checking the turn (like you had a flush draw and not an overpair) and a comes on the river and you block some flushes and nobody bet, I don't hate the river bluff. I think it will work sometimes.
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06-24-2023 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
Flop small frequency cbet looks good and can probably work in some larger sizings too

River think 9x (bluff unblocker) and even pairs with a heart (flush blocker and bluff unblocker) gotta call you sometimes and any exploit considerations probably hinge on what they do with their 9x. I'd go larger though; I've been looked up by bottom here too often.
How much bigger would you go? I bet pot, and almost got a fold from a straight.

These players aren't calling on whether their side card is a heart. They are looking at the strength of their hand, period.

As to the flop bet, this seems like one of the better candidates for this hand type; 2 overcards, and double back doors.

It is true that this hits the BB range well, he probably connects here a fair amount of the time, but we will get folds from stuff like Ax, J8s and the like. If they call with a weak pair, say 6x, we get to barrel a lot on turns (KQJT and some hearts).

Betting small also keeps my range uncapped.
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06-24-2023 , 12:53 PM
Start with a check on the flop. This hand isn’t a cbet imo against a sb and bb call. Bb is going I have a lot of continue hands. Think we have a slight range advantage against sb but yea I’m checking this flop bc nothing good happens when we cbet. Not a fan of betting 3 streets here as a bluff or when we turn more equity.

If you bet flop, you gotta hammer turn and river at some freq to make the flop bet ok.
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06-24-2023 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Start with a check on the flop. This hand isn’t a cbet imo against a sb and bb call. Bb is going I have a lot of continue hands. Think we have a slight range advantage against sb but yea I’m checking this flop bc nothing good happens when we cbet. Not a fan of betting 3 streets here as a bluff or when we turn more equity.

If you bet flop, you gotta hammer turn and river at some freq to make the flop bet ok.
It was the button, not the SB.

What good can happen when we CBet? Well, we do take it down there vs a whole host of hands that have reasonable equity against us, like JT, weak Ax, etc. We also set up a spot where we can double barrel, when we pick up equity and get weak one pair hands to fold. We also might run out a very strong hand some small percentage of the time, in which case we will be happy we built the pot.

As against that, we are almost always in poor shape when we get called, and we turn garbage like we did. Firing the turn when another baby hits, into 2 people seems ill advised.

As a matter of theory (and in this case practice) we should have some flop bluffs that give up; especially true when called in 2 places.

I'd have continued on any card bigger than a 9, and also some of the hearts.
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06-27-2023 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 3for3poker
How much bigger would you go? I bet pot, and almost got a fold from a straight.

These players aren't calling on whether their side card is a heart. They are looking at the strength of their hand, period.

As to the flop bet, this seems like one of the better candidates for this hand type; 2 overcards, and double back doors.

It is true that this hits the BB range well, he probably connects here a fair amount of the time, but we will get folds from stuff like Ax, J8s and the like. If they call with a weak pair, say 6x, we get to barrel a lot on turns (KQJT and some hearts).

Betting small also keeps my range uncapped.

Those are all good points and given what you've said, which is compelling, something small will probably work best against the described nits.

But personally I've gotten looked up so much in those spots that I wouldn't fire anything less than 200% pot.
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