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Winning live MMT - But cannot beat online MTT Winning live MMT - But cannot beat online MTT

08-11-2023 , 06:36 AM
Hey guys.
I have played poker for over 20yrs
I started off playing mostly live cash and was a good winner at 1/2 and 2/5
I have also done well playing live tournament events and would consider myself a better tournament player than a cash player.
However, I have never been able to convert this online.
I find in tournaments, especially in tournaments I get killed by getting my chips in ahead and losing a crazy percentage of the time.
I think I have a very good understanding of poker in general but cannot convert this into the online scene.
What do you think I am doing wrong and what are the major differences in LIVE v ONLINE?

Is there any great online coach that fancies a challenge? ;-)
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08-11-2023 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Poker Tribe
Hey guys.
I find in tournaments, especially in tournaments I get killed by getting my chips in ahead and losing a crazy percentage of the time.
Assuming the RNG is fair, you lose the amount of all-ins you are supposed to lose +- variance, and win the amount of all-ins you are supposed to win +- variance.

Likely what's happening is that you are too tight and/or too passive, waiting for spots only to get all-in with the best hand rather than accumulating chips progressively through consistent and optimal decisions.

You can find coaches here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...s-amp-schools/
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08-11-2023 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
Assuming the RNG is fair, you lose the amount of all-ins you are supposed to lose +- variance, and win the amount of all-ins you are supposed to win +- variance.

Likely what's happening is that you are too tight and/or too passive, waiting for spots only to get all-in with the best hand rather than accumulating chips progressively through consistent and optimal decisions.

You can find coaches here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...s-amp-schools/
I have watched endless hours of MTT replays with hold-cards displayed and I am making the same decisions 80%+ of the time as the top pros. Maybe the 20% is my problem?
Used to be too tight in the early days playing but now I think I am making the correct decisions the majority of the time, just can't seem to convert into the last 1% of tournaments
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08-11-2023 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Poker Tribe
Hey guys.
I find in tournaments, especially in tournaments I get killed by getting my chips in ahead and losing a crazy percentage of the time.


Is there any great online coach that fancies a challenge? ;-)

There is your answer. Study more, find more spots to play, understand your opponent can give you an edge, getting it in good is important but not the only way
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08-28-2023 , 06:06 PM
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In general, online is much tougher than live. This will be more felt if you are outside of the US market but rings true in any case.

In live MTTs, it's very hard to know what you're true ROI is since there is so much variance in the short term. Online grinding produces a more accurate ROI since you can put the kind of volume necessary to make fair judgments on your ability. An average month of online MTT grinding is about 400 games. If you were a fulltime live grinder, it would take over a year to match that number of games. And 400 games is a very small sample to determine anything meaningful about your performance. Online MTT winners can have losing/breakeven years while putting fulltime volume. Losing heaps of all-ins is nothing but normal.

In live, you get more gifts at every stage of the tournament. More cEV blunders, ICM mistakes/punts (money bubble, final 3 tables to ft) than you would on a normal scheduled midstakes MTT online. All those mistakes produce a higher ROI for solid players than you would see online. The difference in skill means live downswings might not last as long since even your errors can be made up for by the bigger errors of your opponents etc. You also have the added advantage of live reads and game flow which can produce better decisions. And because the buyin sums are that much greater than online, you just earn more if you are able to afford grinding them as a winner.

Becoming a winner online is in part about mastering poker fundamentals and there's a lot of them. I'd start looking at preflop charts for your standard stack sizes and go from there.
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09-10-2023 , 11:31 PM
The variance in MTT is insane. People often talk about how big of sample size you need to show what the true ROI is. Most people say you might not get a accurate ROI unless you have 5k - 10K tournaments. This is especially true if you are playing large field tournaments, where you are playing against 10K runners.
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09-11-2023 , 06:48 AM
It is generally said that the level of online/live is 1 to 10, so $100 online tournament would be as tough as $1000 live tournament. And realistically the ratio is probably even higher, like 15-20x. Add a very small sample size for your live MTTs and you can easily be hugely over EV or under EV lifetime and not be aware of that. If you want to know whether you actually beat your games or not, play at least 50 000 hands online, better 100 000 hands, put them into a tracker (Hand2note is free in its basic version) and see your EV winrate. That itself will be more telling about your skill than the fact that you have been up or down on live MTTs in the last 5 years.
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09-14-2023 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MTT DB Review
It is generally said that the level of online/live is 1 to 10, so $100 online tournament would be as tough as $1000 live tournament. And realistically the ratio is probably even higher, like 15-20x. Add a very small sample size for your live MTTs and you can easily be hugely over EV or under EV lifetime and not be aware of that. If you want to know whether you actually beat your games or not, play at least 50 000 hands online, better 100 000 hands, put them into a tracker (Hand2note is free in its basic version) and see your EV winrate. That itself will be more telling about your skill than the fact that you have been up or down on live MTTs in the last 5 years.
10 to 1 is wrong. It's more like $11 online mtt = $1100 live MTT. $109 MTT winner will be beating live 10ks.
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