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04-06-2024 , 06:56 AM

bigdog666

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 14

Lets say you have a pretty big bounty on your head and have like 8-15 big blinds , should you widen or tighten your showing range compared to a freezeout?

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04-06-2024 , 10:17 AM

Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

Tighten, and change the shape. People will call wider to target your bounty, so hands like small pairs and medium suited-connectors become -ev shoves. Crappy Broadway combos become more valuable shoves because you'll get called by hands that you have dominated (e.g., KTo vs K3s).

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04-06-2024 , 03:10 PM

LifeNitFL

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2023 Posts: 294

Not sure I understand the logic above. If people will call wider to target your bounty, why would you want to tighten your shoving range?

I personally widen it a bit. Nothing crazy.

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04-06-2024 , 06:25 PM

nath

the second coming of the second coming

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 68,947

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

This is correct.

(Overall in terms of a percentage of hands you'll shove, you don't need to tighten too much, but the hands you choose do need to change in the way described above.)

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04-06-2024 , 07:07 PM

SwedishNit

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Join Date: Jan 2024 Posts: 63

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Originally Posted by LifeNitFL

Not sure I understand the logic above. If people will call wider to target your bounty, why would you want to tighten your shoving range?

I personally widen it a bit. Nothing crazy.

It´s correct icmwise. If it´s correct in reality I don´t know. But as in any other cases in the ICM-world we thrive from FE and the reason ICM dictates we can shove wide in many spots is because oppontents should call tight. If we think they´ll call us looser we have to tighten up.

Just one example from Holdem Resources: If opponents call correctly with 10 BB on a table with 7 players and 4 prices MP can shove 27% of his range. If BB is a maniac who calls with around 18% of his range instead of 9% as ICM dictates MP have to tighten up and and reduce his range to 20%

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04-08-2024 , 09:31 AM

Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

You simply can't get away with shoves that you would get away with in non-bounty tournaments. So you have to tighten because you don't have as much fold equity. As nath said it's probably more about changing the types of hands you shove than it is about tightening, but you do have to tighten.

This also means you can make an adjustment to shove with big hands at slightly larger stack sizes. If I have a big bounty on my head, I'll just open shove 18bb with QQ or AK for example and get called by K5s or whatever.

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04-08-2024 , 11:22 PM

LifeNitFL

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2023 Posts: 294

Yeah, somehow I always forget that the profit of shoving comes from getting folds, not from getting calls. Good to know for the PKOs I play.

And yeah Darth, I agree, it changes the right way to shove which is sometimes just to open shove with a good hand rather than get tricky. I think that's what I was referring to more than shoving wide: shoving a lot with hands you'd normally just open.

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