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08-17-2011 , 04:42 PM

gregz41

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Lately I keep getting into these spots where I have great odds to call but a raggy ace. I feel super exploitable

. It's not the best example but:

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10296202

CO: 2,680 (26.8 bb)
BTN: 8,609 (86.1 bb)
SB: 2,845 (28.5 bb)
BB: 4,995 (50 bb)
UTG+2: 3,750 (37.5 bb)
MP1: 9,582 (95.8 bb)
MP2: 2,100 (21 bb)
Hero (MP3): 4,961 (49.6 bb)

Preflop: (80) Hero is MP3 with A

3 folds, Hero raises to 225, 2 folds, SB raises to 500, Hero...

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08-17-2011 , 04:50 PM

DzonisJ

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Fold and move on, do not open that light if table is aggresive.

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08-17-2011 , 11:32 PM

jjpregler

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Fold this. You have position and good pot odds, but you have a very bad hand for the situation. All of the hands that he is 3 betting for value have you dominated.

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08-17-2011 , 11:33 PM

Chuck Bass

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Super easy fold

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08-18-2011 , 01:04 AM

ECJENSEN56

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def fold

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08-18-2011 , 02:50 AM

JoeDiego

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You're getting 3:1, (275 to win 805) and against AT+, 99+ you're barely 15%. Add in KJ+ and you make it to 30% but when you consider reverse implied odds it's an easy fold.

Moral of the story: You're not getting 'great odds' against a 3-betting value range with weak Aces.

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08-18-2011 , 05:52 AM

JaFFsTer

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fold. as you get more exp. you can 4 bet these players once or twice and they leave you alone

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08-18-2011 , 06:13 AM

Sven2812

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Sometimes I go like 866/f but default is just fold and move on

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08-18-2011 , 06:24 AM

JoeDiego

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Originally Posted by Sven2812

Sometimes I go like 866/f but default is just fold and move on

Oh snap!

I feel really spewy when they shove on me though :-)

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08-18-2011 , 08:55 AM

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69spades

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Fold as default

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08-18-2011 , 11:52 AM

#11

ssnyc

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Depends...your example we fold but people just forget that 4 betting is an option without KK+...antes, reads, positions etc matter much

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08-18-2011 , 12:34 PM

#12

JoeDiego

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

Depends...your example we fold but people just forget that 4 betting is an option without KK+...antes, reads, positions etc matter much

You're agreeing it's not a flat right?

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08-18-2011 , 01:36 PM

#13

ssnyc

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This hand is never a flat

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08-18-2011 , 02:17 PM

#14

fivetypes

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Originally Posted by Sven2812

Sometimes I go like 866/f but default is just fold and move on

Seems awful tbh, this is a 10 dolla freezeout.

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08-18-2011 , 03:30 PM

#15

blindhippo

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what about hands like K10o AJo A9s A10o or s QJo KJo, K9s

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08-18-2011 , 03:38 PM

#16

CaliStyle

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

This hand is never a flat

with these stack sizes

I'd fold here unless I have reason to believe he is light here quite often, then I can consider jamming

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08-18-2011 , 09:56 PM

#17

_lolHeisenBurger99_

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No really happy about opening A7o this early. When the tourny is deeper you should open up, but for now it's not bad idea to pass up on your A7o, especially if you feel exploited by these 3-bets.

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08-19-2011 , 02:43 AM

#18

tripled83

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good raise, but you have to fold esp. w/o reads. a raise from a reg in sb is a sign of strength

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08-22-2011 , 05:29 AM

#19

PAROOVKA

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It's all tournament and opponents-related. You actually won't get any generic rules about how to behave in different circumstances. It depends on a stage of the tournament, stack sizes, skills of the other players and your previous history with them.

In your spot it's easy fold and it will usually be, and what I can suggest is not to open too wide with the Ace/rag, because it's not profitable in the long term, unless you are sure that you have good reasons to do it.

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08-22-2011 , 07:38 AM

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phos77

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agree OP is a fold.

do we peel here? (readless)

Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10340542

BB: 2,890 (48.2 bb)
UTG+1: 3,079 (51.3 bb)
UTG+2: 5,919 (98.7 bb)
Hero (MP1): 6,747 (112.5 bb)
MP2: 3,518 (58.6 bb)
MP3: 2,125 (35.4 bb)
CO: 5,947 (99.1 bb)
BTN: 3,060 (51 bb)
SB: 3,073 (51.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T

2 folds, Hero raises to 180, MP2 raises to 400, 5 folds, Hero

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08-22-2011 , 07:50 AM

#21

furo

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imo yes phos but its on the slightly marginal side. just dont see 4betting or folding be better so i'd go with a flat.

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08-22-2011 , 12:06 PM

#22

PAROOVKA

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It's much different than Ax, but it also depends on a villain. Against the nit I'll fold it and against any decent player, but not nit, it's a call. If it's aggro 3-bettor, than 4-bet to 1100/call.

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08-22-2011 , 12:13 PM

#23

_Koby_

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Originally Posted by phos77

2 folds, Hero raises to 180, MP2 raises to 400, 5 folds, Hero

here i am not folding comparared to the op, this deep i am calling and playing from there.

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08-22-2011 , 04:08 PM

#24

jjpregler

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Originally Posted by phos77

2 folds, Hero raises to 180, MP2 raises to 400, 5 folds, Hero

Yeah, I'm calling here. If we only calling to set mine we are getting the right price.

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08-23-2011 , 02:12 PM

#25

Pardyallthetime

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Fold pre, fold now.

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