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09-30-2023 , 02:20 PM

rangers1690

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hand last night blinds 800/1600 utg+1 raises to 3800 . bb calls the extra 2200 which was just over 20% of their remaining stack they had J8s. total about 30% of stack

my question is not whether they should be defending J8s on the bb but how much % of your remaining stack would you defend with j8s ?

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10-01-2023 , 02:38 AM

nath

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I'm not sure I ever find a fold with it. If I'm so short calling off puts me all-in or basically so, then it's a hand good enough with those odds. If I'm a bigger but still short stack, I can flop enough pairs, straight draws, flush draws to justify getting it in on the flop.

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10-01-2023 , 10:29 AM

deuceblocker

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I would defend in that situation with that hand. Don't think there is a limit to how short stack you can be to defend. BB is getting 2.7-1 immediate if no ante. Clearly his hand is better than that against raisers range. Plus BB can fold some flops, and can shove first to act with draws, etc. So the defend seems pretty profitable here.

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10-01-2023 , 10:55 AM

Mr Rick

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Originally Posted by nath

Pretty much says it all.

The only choice for me pre-flop with a smallish stack is whether I jam or not. I think pretty much all the time I am calling and doing a stop n go jam type thing based on the flop.

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10-01-2023 , 12:11 PM

deuceblocker

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Originally Posted by Mr Rick

I wouldn't do a straight stop and go. If I defend with J8s and the flop comes AKx, I would x/f. That is mainly why you defend, when shoving might be bad. You get to see the flop, and being first to act with such a low spr might be an advantage. You could shove some flops you miss which are better for your range, although this hand mostly hits flops that look good for you.

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10-01-2023 , 03:17 PM

Mr Rick

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Originally Posted by deuceblocker

Pretty much says it all, too!

That's what I meant by "doing a stop n go jam type thing based on the flop". Any flop with all cards < Q I would be jamming (except with no BDSD or BDFD). If there is a Q and a T or 9 or a BDFD I would jam as well. I probably let go of all Axx flops (except AJ8) and most Kxx flops (KJx/K8x with no A is a jam).

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10-01-2023 , 10:59 PM

deuceblocker

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I would go with AJx and A8x, as he usually doesn't have an ace, big pair, pr better J or 8, and you have some outs / equity if he does. I might x/f low flops where we have no draw. You definitely can fold a lot of flops and still call.

I remember when Fossilman presented the stop and go on this site and said you should push any flop. Any flop??? It turned out not to be good, except against real fit or fold players.

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10-03-2023 , 10:33 AM

ledn

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When you get short you should be defending most of your hands to a small raise. You will be getting good pot odds and because your stack is so low, you dont have the reverse implied odds that a lot of marginal/bad hands have when flopping a pair and/or draw.

Im defended even J8o, vs a minr Id probably defend J2o, but vs a slightly larger size you can fold the worst offsuit hands.

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10-09-2023 , 08:40 AM

3-betandfold

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No one has attempted to answer your question. Am I correct in stating that big blind/defender has 18,000 chips?
If so, as played is fine.
The question was what percentage of big blind stack is appropriate to defend with!
I would say defend with up to 27% in this specific situation. As always the answer is, it depends!

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