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Venom 50 early all-in situation. Did I play it wrong? Venom 50 early all-in situation. Did I play it wrong?

04-14-2024 , 01:52 PM
Yatahay Network - 900/1800 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 157.43 BB
MP: 179.64 BB
MP+1: 180.87 BB
CO: 325.83 BB
BTN: 147.17 BB
Hero (SB): 180.38 BB
BB: 176.32 BB
UTG: 169.2 BB

8 players post ante of 0.15 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has T J

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, MP calls 2.5 BB, MP+1 calls 2.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 10.59 BB, fold, UTG calls 8.09 BB, MP calls 8.09 BB, MP+1 calls 8.09 BB, BTN calls 8.09 BB

Flop: (55.16 BB, 5 players) 7 4 J
Hero checks, UTG bets 13.79 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 13.79 BB

Turn: (82.74 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 31.46 BB, UTG calls 31.46 BB

River: (145.65 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, UTG bets 113.21 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 113.21 BB

Hero shows T J (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 48%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
UTG shows 7 7 (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 52%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
UTG wins 372.08 BB

UTG had a PFR of 40% over a small sample of 20 hands, which somewhat influenced my play.
Biggest questionable area to me was reraising pre-flop. Was trying to take initiative with so many limpers, but no one folded. I normally play $50-$200 MTT's slightly profitable. Qualified into The Venom from a satellite. Anyways, would love any input you guys have.

Last edited by Ibegood; 04-14-2024 at 01:54 PM. Reason: Adding details
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04-14-2024 , 03:01 PM
Folding this after its gone raise call from ep. We have worst position in sb so we should be squeezing a fair bit but much prefer stuff with better nut potential (54s 65s 78s 98s 109s jts qts qjs kjs a4s a5s a8s+ k9s+ j9s ato+ kqo+) jto likely -ev squeeze.

Flop strategy multiway is kind of crazy. Wouldnt be suprised to see solver folding flop some % when ep donks 5 ways
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04-14-2024 , 03:53 PM
Not really a good hand to squeeze with unsuited. Perhaps more importantly, your 3-bet size isn't nearly large enough for your position, the stack depths, and the number of players in the hand. You didn't get a single fold from anyone who had already VPIPed. At this depth, 4.5x should be your minimum 3-bet size from the SB against one player, let alone four.
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04-14-2024 , 04:11 PM
JTo is not a hand I will 3-bet with pre-flop from the SB with 3 callers. However, if I was going to 3-bet I would make it about 17 bb's. The reason you had so many callers is the pricing was favorable in case they crushed the flop. I probably fold to the raise but there are times I would call hoping for trips or two pair or even a straight (or straight draw with overs)

Given your aggression and the flop you are going to lose a significant amount no matter how it goes. But I would c-bet the flop because we did smash it and it would be helpful to get everyone to fold and/or see where you stand.

After checking the flop betting the turn HU OOP makes no sense to me unless you want to block bet to about 15 to 20 bb's. Then fold to a raise.

River is a fold for me because Villain can have hands like AJ. I do think that Villain won't have QQ much and certainly not KK+ given the pre flop call with players behind. Given the flop leadout, turn call and river jam there just aren't many bluffs there really because there weren't many draws betting the flop with 4 players behind and I think villain folds to the turn bet with hands like AK/AQ/KQ. Possible back door flush as well especially with J. The river bet sizing isn't even polarizing, its a solid value bet at 78% pot.
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04-14-2024 , 04:35 PM
The squeeze is terrible given you're in the SB and it probably gets called multi way a lot given how deep everyone is. I would honestly consider folding to the flop bet or maybe I'd call the flop and check/fold the rest. UTG is betting 5 way here and has the strongest range beside yours, so either they're trying to take a stab with a hand like 99 or have you beat. Big spew.
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04-16-2024 , 03:37 AM
Every street is so bad bro sorry. On the up side it is so bad it’s kind of funny? ❤️
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04-16-2024 , 01:29 PM
Is it a joke? A hand from some Saturday $1K freeroll?
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04-16-2024 , 03:01 PM
Nice to have $2650 to blow on a poker tournament.
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04-16-2024 , 04:07 PM
There are a few mistakes in this hand. Your 3 bet needs to be bigger (but I wouldn't 3 bet here).

You have pretty much the bottom of your calling range on this flop. You have to put this player on what exactly to call this down? 56? Any other hand is beating you. QJ is beating you. It's waaaay to loose. Flop call is marginal, but I think you need to fold on the turn. I would prefer AJ in this spot because maybe this player is bad enough to overplay a weaker Jack.
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04-16-2024 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
Nice to have $2650 to blow on a poker tournament.
Remember they sattied in, who knows how many tickets they might have in the chamber. But ya sounds like a good life to be able blast off this deep with a poor kicker top pair
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04-16-2024 , 08:25 PM
Wouldn’t squeeze off suit combo’s of J10, also prefer to have some Ax, Kx type blockers or some suited conn’s that have decent equity vs callers. Flop standard c/c, turn makes no sense - I don’t see what hands want to squeeze pre, check call flop then donk lead turn? You rarely have 8 5 in your range and all your sets would want to continue checking turn to get villain to over value certain hands - plus he has all the sets except for top set. River, you’re polar of course - population check backdoor clubs ott, so i’d exclude these from your range a bunch. You don’t really rep much. I’m check calling otf, although UTG betting into 5 people is already telling of super strength, and check fold turn.

Last edited by RangeMorphology; 04-16-2024 at 08:32 PM.
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04-17-2024 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RangeMorphology
Wouldn’t squeeze off suit combo’s of J10, also prefer to have some Ax, Kx type blockers or some suited conn’s that have decent equity vs callers.
Technically, yes, but not sure we should be squeezing light at all OOP early in the tournament. The small size just builds the pot getting everyone to call. 3-betting doesn't make a bad hand better. You wind up with probably the worst hand of anyone with the worst position.

JTo is a junk hand, the worst possible broadway cards. When you hit, you lose to more than one pair, but you also lose to most Js. I know it is hard to fold once you make your hand.

This seems like a joke post though. This is all played the worst possible.
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04-17-2024 , 06:16 AM
No money in HS tournaments everyone is solid.
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04-17-2024 , 09:30 AM
The other thing is any pp is going to play in a multiway pot like this and call the small 3-bet when it looks like it will go multiway. The player with the pp assumes you really have JJ+/AK a lot and is looking to stack you.
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04-17-2024 , 02:49 PM
The sizings pants - if hero wants to maximise fe then obv he should be going bigger but that was already outlined by multiple people above me.
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04-17-2024 , 04:57 PM
Don't understand the pre 3-bet and the small sizing. Don't understand the turn donk or river x/c. I think you played the flop correct, but everything else has some serious problems.
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