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Originally Posted by nath
Yeah, don't have much to add to the first reply-- preflop is fine, but you don't want to commit on the flop with this draw, in particular with the raiser leading pot into three other players. You're not nutted, if he has hearts he has you in terrible shape (side question - is the Ah on board or not?), and when he leads pot I don't think he's folding even his weakest Ax to your shove.
And I'll add to your last comment, speaking as someone who made his poker money in the old days playing really loose-aggressive and actively trying to double up any time I got reasonably short: What I've learned since is that you don't need to force the action, and 20BB gives you a pretty good amount of time before you have to get it in. Focus on getting your money in profitably and making the optimal decision each time, not trying to force your way to a certain stack size.
Agree with this. At 20bb I think you are closer to dieing than Nath leads on. I feel at 20bb, you kinda wanna find spots to jam over loose openers from late position (or maybe ep if aggro enough) to maximize your limited fold equity potential if you fold down to 5-15 bb. Itm, if cutoff opens and you have 55 in sb or bb, easiest fold ever with 20bb and never going to say omg you are bad bc you ran into a bigger hand.
Hand as played- I would say maybe can call flop pot sized bet but you have almost no fold equity. Your hand is super meh when called here. Sure if you had a flush draw also, go crazy and max out on FE with what prolly 14-15 outs.
Idk I’m even ok folding flop kinda bc we only have 8 outs. Prolly 1 spade is a call bc we can pick up turn equity and maybe villian will check turn once in a while and let us get to shows down cheap.
I almost don’t even hate jamming 20bb pre here a small % of the time. If ep is opening correctly and wide enough, he has to fold some better hands than J-10ss if you rip pre. I kinda hate flatting bc you welcome small blind and bb to call + they also have a great spot to squeeze. If sb makes it 8bbs here, you have to fold which is gross. Jamming against someone opening proper range- you pick up 4.5 bbs/ increase your stack by 22.5% when all folds without a showdown. It’s a little high variance but I’m fine if ep opener is loos enough. J-10as also is a great hand to have when all in. Even against AA
, I would rather have J-10ss instead of say 1010 or JJ.