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07-21-2018 , 03:51 PM
Blinds 1500/3000 Big Blind Ante 3000

Villain - CO (~$200.000) opens $6000
Hero - BB (~$100.000) calls $3000 with A5o

Flop: AT4r - Pot $13.500
Hero Checks
Villain Checks

Turn: To - Pot $13.500
Hero Bets $5000
Villain Calls $5000

River: 4o - Pot $23.500
Hero Checks
Villain Checks

What are your thoughts on this line?
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07-22-2018 , 02:29 AM
I would 3-bet pre.
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07-22-2018 , 04:03 AM
Fine. What do you do with AJ/AT, suited As? I guess you're 3b AK/AQ at v high frequency. But you do need to be careful, since he will have a lot of Tx that x flop so he definitely has range advantage OTT. With this specific hand I would personally x again OTT to strengthen our x twice line, esp since there are very few draws we need to protect against and we have so much garbage in BB that has to xf.
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07-22-2018 , 04:21 AM
in this specific spot
AA : call
AK, AQ : 3 bet for value
A2s - ATs : call
A2o - AJo : 3 bet for bluff.
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07-23-2018 , 01:13 PM
What do you mean you are 3-betting AJ here as a bluff? Do you think CO is folding hands that beat AJ to a BB 3-bet?
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07-23-2018 , 02:24 PM
nh River can just go ahead and block again for like 1/4-1/3 and then you can start going for some b3b w tx
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07-23-2018 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
in this specific spot
AA : call
AK, AQ : 3 bet for value
A2s - ATs : call
A2o - AJo : 3 bet for bluff.
Brilliant ranges here I think this is rly solid pls don’t change anything about your strategy
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07-23-2018 , 04:09 PM
We should could be calling the vast majority of our Ax range pre from the BB vs. CO min-raise open. I guess if sometimes you want to use a hand like A2o as a 3-bet bluff it isn't the worst idea, but if I'd much rather bluff something like 75o that has no showdown value and can easily fold to aggression. Plus we have to be somewhat aware of stacks as we're not even 35BB deep.

I like checking turn when the T rolls off just because villain is going to check back a lot of Tx on that flop rather than c-bet. Also, our hand is probably good enough to check-call two streets but I'm not quite sure it's good enough to bet two streets, if that makes sense.
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07-24-2018 , 12:35 AM
Yeah 3 betting weak A’s can be tricky if you’re not that good post flop and have difficulty laying down hands after the flop, calling is okay here. Against an aggressive player it might make more sense to try and 3 bet there and end the hand before it gets too control, just be weary when doing it OOP against a stack bigger than yours. As played the line is okay hard to get more value out of him with anything worse unless he believes you’re bluffing.
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07-24-2018 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Brilliant ranges here I think this is rly solid pls don’t change anything about your strategy
I hear you, but it would be super helpful if you can spend a couple of minutes and just briefly explain what's wrong with these ranges.
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07-24-2018 , 10:52 AM
x/c flop
x/c turn
if checked to r
value r >1/3 pot
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07-24-2018 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
I hear you, but it would be super helpful if you can spend a couple of minutes and just briefly explain what's wrong with these ranges.
AJ isnt a bluff, villain is not folding better.
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07-24-2018 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
I hear you, but it would be super helpful if you can spend a couple of minutes and just briefly explain what's wrong with these ranges.
not gonna do the work for you, but think about your value combos vs your bluff combos
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07-24-2018 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
not gonna do the work for you, but think about your value combos vs your bluff combos
Ok dude, hear me out. You spent some time of your life to write two comments : the first one is sarcastic, the second one is contemptuous. Apparently it benefits you somehow. But you might have spent the same amount of time for writing helpful and friendly response. That would benefit both of us and other fellows who will stumble upon this thread light years ahead...
I have a simple argument for the latter approach - that's what J...s would do.
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07-24-2018 , 06:49 PM
Yeah your online looking for free advice. I gave you some. Saying your ranges are all fcked up here. Also gave you some more specific advice saying yo count your value combos vs your bluffs
Not going to break down the full scope of precisely what your bb calling and 3b ranges for you vs a cutoff open. You gotta take the time do get better on your own playa
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07-24-2018 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Yeah your online looking for free advice. I gave you some. Saying your ranges are all fcked up here. Also gave you some more specific advice saying yo count your value combos vs your bluffs
Not going to break down the full scope of precisely what your bb calling and 3b ranges for you vs a cutoff open. You gotta take the time do get better on your own playa
do u mean to say that amount of combos in 3-bet for value range should be roughly equal to the amount of combos in 3-bet for bluff range, otherwise this range is not balanced? If so, what's the rough proportions between 3-bet range/calling ranges/fold range in this spot?
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07-25-2018 , 06:21 AM
If you are still pretty new to some advanced theoretical strat concepts, i suggest you to focus mianly on ranges, position, sizing etc...
We can tell you are really keen on learning which is good and obviously the case of many of us even if the 2+2 posters skill level is far from homogeneous.
That is why we have to stay humble and learn from the ones (even when they re pushing us and being very sarcastic) that have reached a way higher skill level.

Anyway, my point was, at your skill level playing micro to mid stakes mtt, there s no real value in trying to be balanced. Try to focus on what you know and master it.

Last edited by swissodds; 07-25-2018 at 06:22 AM. Reason: i has no speakin gut le anglais
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07-25-2018 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by swissodds
If you are still pretty new to some advanced theoretical strat concepts, i suggest you to focus mianly on ranges, position, sizing etc...
We can tell you are really keen on learning which is good and obviously the case of many of us even if the 2+2 posters skill level is far from homogeneous.
That is why we have to stay humble and learn from the ones (even when they re pushing us and being very sarcastic) that have reached a way higher skill level.

Anyway, my point was, at your skill level playing micro to mid stakes mtt, there s no real value in trying to be balanced. Try to focus on what you know and master it.
It's just hardly possible to extract something useful for learning from those sarcastic, contemptuous or directly insulting comments that consist of 0% of information and 100% of d*ck wagging.
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07-26-2018 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
It's just hardly possible to extract something useful for learning from those sarcastic, contemptuous or directly insulting comments that consist of 0% of information and 100% of d*ck wagging.
mate, even if they are sarcastic and insulting just try to extract valid informations and improve your game out of it. don't take it too personal. this is internet forum, trolling/insulting newbies is normal. you're wasting too much time on asking people to be polite to you on internet, use that time to learn the game.

ranges that you posted are laughable and that is the fact. in later posts it became pretty obvious that you don't know what you're speaking about and that is the fact. do you feel insulted ? just think about everything in constructive way and you'll be good.

learning the game is the process. even if you hired coach and payed him to explain all this sh't to you you couldn't get it right away. it needs time, practice and dedication to improve. just try to think on an constructive way about any info you get here and things will start to click.

@OP i'm checking turn and valuebetting river if checked. as played we def dont want to bet river
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07-26-2018 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
mate, even if they are sarcastic and insulting just try to extract valid informations and improve your game out of it. don't take it too personal. this is internet forum, trolling/insulting newbies is normal. you're wasting too much time on asking people to be polite to you on internet, use that time to learn the game.

ranges that you posted are laughable and that is the fact. in later posts it became pretty obvious that you don't know what you're speaking about and that is the fact. do you feel insulted ? just think about everything in constructive way and you'll be good.

learning the game is the process. even if you hired coach and payed him to explain all this sh't to you you couldn't get it right away. it needs time, practice and dedication to improve. just try to think on an constructive way about any info you get here and things will start to click.

@OP i'm checking turn and valuebetting river if checked. as played we def dont want to bet river
That's laughable that you suggest to think on an constructive way about a post that says "you are an idiot, what's why!". It just does not make any sense.
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07-26-2018 , 10:07 AM
i didnt tell that you're idiot, i told that you're bad at poker. go smoke some weed or smt to chill out
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07-26-2018 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
i didnt tell that you're idiot, i told that you're bad at poker. go smoke some weed or smt to chill out
I really don't like your suggestions. Can you just stop posting them? Any of them? Save your valuable time for giving good suggestions to good players.
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07-26-2018 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
I really don't like your suggestions. Can you just stop posting them? Any of them? Save your valuable time for giving good suggestions to good players.
it's not about what you like.
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07-26-2018 , 10:32 AM
@nomalice Ok, I just added you to my ignore list, so I won't see your messages anymore. You can now really save your time and stop posting your nonsense. Cheers mate.
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