Hi, it was bubble situation! nothing or ticket (satellite)...

I made no action in the last 10-15 hands. So missplayed any to push?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.3 Tournament, 1500/3000 Blinds 300 Ante (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t54736)
Hero (MP1) (t26208)
MP2 (t50780)
CO (t56)
Button (t29790)
SB (t21443)
BB (t77487)

Hero's M: 4.12

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3, K
1 fold, Hero bets t25908 (All-In), 2 folds, SB calls t19643 (All-In), 1 fold

Flop: (t47142) 10, 10, J (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (t47142) Q (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (t47142) 4 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: t47142



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push :-)

i would fold, (if it was the same prize for everyone, since the CO is about to get blinded out.)

pretty easy fold of anything if this is the bubble imo

easy fold, CO is about to go home.

Id fold here. Hand is to weak position is too early and co is going to be gone soon

If it's the true bubble you could fold AA and be happy about it. CO has to have some sick things for him to make any sort of come back.

Super easy fold..it's a sat your goal is to survive

How many players for how many seats?

Need more information, but the push is probably terrible.

this..

if you are truely on the bubble and not just aproaching, then it is a terrible shove. If 6 people get paid, all you need to do is wait ONE MORE HAND!! chipping up means very little in sats.

If 6 people get paid, you do not even have to have 1/6th the chips, and every chip you gain over 1/6th of the chips gives you +$0 in extra equity. This is a big mistake micro players make in sats and is why sats are so easy. I love having about an even share of the chips and seeing one guy playing 35/30 with 1/2 the chips at the table.

for this reason miniFTOP mtt sats are the softest games around.

seems like the bubble of a huge field MTT where we will prob still be getting ITM even if we get called and loose the whole stack. with like 60+ tables left there is a huge chance that we will not be the bubble boy in hand for hand mode.

i'd shove about 70% here tbh.

Assuming we're on the exact bubble (and even if it's not the exact bubble really), shoving is so ridiculously bad, even if it is an MTT satellite and this table isn't the only one. Sure, we'll probably still get the ticket most of the time. But the amount of times we get a ticket shoving here will definitely be less than the amount of times we get a ticket by folding.

If this table is the only one, shoving is even worse because CO has basically nothing and will either be gone this hand or soon enough.

I'm folding 100% of hands here.

Edit: I'm actually folding 1000% of hands, possibly even more than that. Just wanted to clear that up

If we are truely 1 person away from being ITM, then the more tables there are the less we need to shove here. For example, if this is the FT and we are 2 hands away from paying blinds and 1 player will be AI on the next hand there is very little risk to us. even if he wins that hand he will have ~1 ante. So there is basically no reason to shove here with bigger stacks than us to call. They may call simply to get this game over since bb would still have 50k in chips.

If there are 5 tables, then there are 34 people other than us that can go out at any moment and we can afford to pay the blinds so there is even less reason to shove. IF there are 1000 tables, (taking it to the absurd extreme end) we would never want to play this hand because there would he 7k players left and only 1 that needs to spew for us to pay.

If that were the case, and there were 7,001 players left and 7,000 pay at a flat payout, I would fold 100% of my range here because at some table someone will be blinded in or there will be a 2bb stack shoving from the sb that will get called by the bb or an idiot will shove A3 and be at risk.

Furo, if I am right in my thinking above, why would we shove? Is there something I have wrong?

^FWIW, as the number of tables increase, the number of other short stacks that could be/will be AI this hand also increases. So from that respect, shoving becomes less terrible, since even if we shove here, get called, and lose, there are still other tables where someone else with less than us could bust.

If this is the only table, shoving and getting called is an absolute disaster. It's less of a disaster with more tables, but still a disaster.

All of this is completely irrelevant though since anyone with even a fraction of a brain can see this is a fold with absolutely anything. I could get dealt every card in the deck and I would still fold.

i dont see how this is a fold at all with like 60 tables left asuming hand for hand play on each table

and i think i have a brain


obv a fold with like 5 tables left in a bubble situation

If this is the case, and I agree that it is, wouldn't we just be taking on un-needed risk knowing that this is probably the last hand anyway? Wouldn't it be better to fold and win 100% of the time then to call and win 99% of the time?

I understand that by shoving and getting called by a stack shorter than ours we increase the odds that the mtt ends. We also get a bunch of folds and this gives us 1 more M, but when we get called we are probably drawing thin.

I think a big quetion is how is the BB playing. If he is 50/0, then shove is even worst. If he is 2/2 then we are at much lower risk.

to minimize risk in a spot where we are almost 100% to cash w/o doing anything but folding. The more tables there are, the more likely I am to just sit out, go grab dinner and call it a day.

Title says bubble

Edit: oh I see what you're saying, but its still very very wrong imo. Yes with more tables the chances of us busting before someone else becomes very low. But that also means we gain so much less by shoving here than by folding. There is just absolutely no reason to risk anything at this point, and every chip we put in the pot is just pure spew.

Think of it this way: if there are plenty of other tables and you think/know others are getting AI on those, then someone is bound to bust on one of them. So assume someone will indeed bust this hand. By folding, we have a 0% chance of being the one that busts, meaning $EV = whatever the ticket is. If we shove, we have a >0% chance of being the one that busts, meaning $EV < the ticket.

my point exactly. and the more tables, the more likely someone is going to bust, the less we should want to play this hand.

Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you at all. Just saying that as the number of tables increases (ie the number of other showdowns going on this hand), shoving would become less bad than shoving if there was only 1 table. Folding is obviously still far better, but shoving with more tables is better than shoving with less tables.

I was typing on my phone so I couldn't really be too thorough

Why are we shipping any two here? This thread is confusing as ****.

We're not (or rather shouldn't be, and anyone saying otherwise is dead wrong).

I don't see how this hand was even made into a thread. I could see if we had AA it could be a little confusing for someone not used to folding AA, but K3o is ridiculous.

hi there, there was only 1 table left and this was the second bubble! I was very tight last hands before this push. But know i know the hand was missplayed... ty all

Yeah, I'm hella confused too. Furo advocating shoving has me scratching my head.

It's not that I think Furo has to be wrong, it's the opposite - I'm sure there's some massive piece of the logic puzzle I'm missing somewhere, because this hand would be an auto-fold for me pretty much all the time.

No you're not missing anything, it's a super turbo auto muck no matter how many tables are going ainec. Furo is wrong in this case

weeeeeeeeeeee SB and fold, ffs