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04-08-2008 , 11:30 AM
Playing in monthly $40 home tourney... two tables this night, 18 entrants, 5 left on my table, one more bust before we combine.

6 players at table- 5k starting stack, 100-200 blinds now

Villian- probably the most Weak-tight player of our diverse group.

HERO( 7300) - UTG with T T

VILLAIN (~7500) BUTTON

Hero raises to 700 with T 10

Villian RR to 1900

Hero calls

HU to flop J 8 4

Hero check villian bets 1800
Hero all in

Any thoughs on this... I can list a few possible errors with my play and it has been bothering me for the last few days.

A little info- The villian, who plays very few hands, played a hand against me almost identically to this about two orbits ago in which I had to fold 77 on a two broadway flop. He knows enough about strategy to almost ALWAYS put a c-bet in on the flop but I am not sure how much he is willing to base his bet on the coordination of the flop.

He folded and I still put him on AK, K of . I think that with the chip stacks and pot he would have called with the A
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04-08-2008 , 11:34 AM
If he is really weak tight and re-raises I might take that as a sign to proceed with extreme caution, and maybe even lay it down (of course that depends on just how weak tight we're talking here).
If you know he's going to cbet and you have position, you have to move all in post flop. Once he gets 1800, we have *virtually* no fold equity. also, the board isn't that bad for us. We have a straight and flush draw, as well as second pair.

Last edited by Toast91185; 04-08-2008 at 11:54 AM. Reason: Didn't see that he actually folded, haha
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04-08-2008 , 11:50 AM
I hate to be this guy, but I think I just 4 bet shove pf. I guess if you call then I prefer leading out. I think I'm ahead and I don't want him to check behind with a bigger spade. I'm definitely willing to get it in with ThTs on that flop. As played you have offered your weak tight villain great odds to call you with a draw. Nevertheless, you made a read, acted on it, and were successful so you did something right. By the way I would avoid posting the results.

Edit- Against a guy that has played very few hands in a home tourney a push preflop may not be the correct play. Use reads/tells. If he's holding a big PP he'll probably telegraph it to you.
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04-08-2008 , 12:29 PM
I think pre is shove or fold...with a short table I lean toward a shove...also raise 550 pre..how weak tight he is only you can tell us...does he bet post flop if he misses?
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04-08-2008 , 12:43 PM
Reraising allin pre seems to me a nice play.
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04-08-2008 , 12:59 PM
With an M of 24 (effectively less since it's a shorter table), I don't see a big reason to shove preflop here, and I MIGHT even fold preflop instead of leading out, since I hate to play 10s OOP, and it's not a great hand to be raising with UTG, but that's still a conservative play. Nothing wrong with raising it either and is probably prefered. I don't mind the call of the re-raise. I shove on the flop though; you may already be ahead, he will probably fold if he doesn't have a high spade, and you don't want to give any more free-cards. Check/raise is dangerous here, because if he's drawing to a higher flush, you just gave him a chance to hit it for free if he checks behind. And I'm not so sure about your read on him; it'd be awfully hard to lay down two overcards and a king high flush draw getting those odds, even if you turned your cards face up! I'd lean more towards AK with no spades. He figures you may be scared by the board as well and maybe he can take it away with a bet. Your re-raise tells him otherwise, and he escapes relatively cheaply.
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