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11-20-2007 , 04:30 AM

dereeekho

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3/4 in 9 player $22+2 turbo sng. shove, fold, or call?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t6875
Button: t2720
Hero: t2235
BB: t1670

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with T

UTG raises to t800, Button folds, Hero?

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11-20-2007 , 04:50 AM

dickkemp

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grow a pair and shove!
ok may be better to see a flop then shove non over flop. but with tens there is a 70% chance of an overcard on flop, 100% chance of getting outplayed on flop (not your fault but he has the chips to do whatever), and 85% chance that he is applying max pressure with a ton of hands as it is the bubble.
ultimately use the force see through his soul imagine his hand then the flop and hope that is the wonderful 10 10 2 flop and shove preflop.

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11-20-2007 , 04:57 AM

ekinnehs18

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auto shove.

If another stack was extremely shortstack, maybe fold, but I 95% of the time shove. TT is a monster 4handed with your stack size.

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11-20-2007 , 08:55 AM

RexWoo

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A read could really help. It depends really how much he is raising and how much BB is calling when you fold.

This is probably a good push when he raise about 25% or more.

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11-20-2007 , 12:28 PM

Brett D

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Rex do you really think we should be folding 10's w/ less than 6 BBs? even w/ a "read" i think we're way ahead of utg's range. also keep in mind that this is also a turbo. if you're not shoving here then i think we're passing up some really good opportunities. UTG looks like he is just trying to play the bubble and steal but will obv call a push since he'd be getting great odds to do so on top of the fact that he has everyone covered and then some. Not pushing here would be a huge mistake IMO. The only way I fold this is if we were BB and button and SB both call all-in and I'd pretty much be guaranteed to be ITM.

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11-20-2007 , 01:56 PM

dickkemp

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auto shove.

If another stack was extremely shortstack, maybe fold, but I 95% of the time shove. TT is a monster 4handed with your stack size.

the extremely shorter stack is a good point but what about the expected growth in pay out if we were to double up?

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11-20-2007 , 02:00 PM

rockstar626

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I think I would have pushed AI here since you have less than 10BB. The blinds are going to eat you alive, and your fold equity is dwindling away at these levels, you just may not get a better chance.

If you bubble then so be it. Villain is chip leader and could be making a steal attempt or really have a hand. I agree with needing a read here.

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11-20-2007 , 02:03 PM

dickkemp

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A read could really help. It depends really how much he is raising and how much BB is calling when you fold.

This is probably a good push when he raise about 25% or more.

4 handed i would think that everyone is raising one out of 4 hands or so. or maybe im too reckless but i always try to win one pot per orbit with out loosing a BB other than in the rotation.

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11-20-2007 , 02:12 PM

ger664

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What is he UTG raising with ?
What part of that range will he call when we shove ?
What range will BB call/shove if you fold ?
What will BB overcall with if you shove ?

Once you can answer these questions, pump the numbers into SNGWiz or similar ICM tool Answer.

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11-20-2007 , 02:39 PM

#10

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Depends on UTG range of course, but readless I'd shove. You have some FE, will usually have him beat when he calls, there is dead money, and he could have a very very wide range.

The thought of BB just folding and losing the 400 chips is attractive and his going broke even better, but vs the likely wide range of UTG his chance of doubling is very real as well.

It would be tougher if you had a little bit stronger chip position.

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