Not all satellites use the same structure. There's no malevolent intent in play here. All posts are read, not all suggestions are implemented. The structure in play in the Deep Turbo NL Flop satellites in TCOOP has been used for quite a long time now, and I don't think there's any issue with their runtime, etc. For that matter, the idea that the structure on the left is necessarily superior isn't certain as far as that goes. It's slower/deeper later in the first hour, but significantly more shallow/faster in the first few levels... depends on where you'd prefer to find your depth, I suppose.

Honestly can't believe that as someone who's job is creating tournament structures you would actually think that one is better, which just brings me back to the rake more/faster motivation which obviously noone from stars would admit to so who knows.


fwiw it's not just in the first hour the structure is better, there are other skipped levels later on and you could make other changes to the structure if you wanted to keep the 500bb deep first level too eg add 1kbb, 5kbb, variable level times, etc etc etc

great job on series bryan. 7r 3x is showing as 6max in the events lobby in main lobby of stars, however its fr. fix it asap to avoid confusion

Am I the only one who cannot find the Phase 1 Main Event Deadline Sats? I can see 2 phase 2 deadline sats at $7.50 & $27 with 10 & 100 seats gtd respectively but I cannot see any Phase 1s to these. Even opening the Phase 2 lobby shows nothing?

Same for me. They both have 0 entrants in them too. Anyone know when these phase 1 satties start?

These Series are very hard to put together. The labyrinth of satellites have to be in sync, the lobby has to look decent, adjustments on the fly have to occur based on what people are playing. In short it's a lot of work. And no doubt despite doing his absolute best and focused just on these COOP's Bryan is going to goof from time to time. It has happened nearly every series in one form or other.
When the day comes that no mistakes are made is the day when these Series stop pushing the bar. Mistakes occur when people try things new. If these COOPs were just generic mtt's there wouldn't be any mistakes... and there wouldn't be any excitement behind them.

I would agree with David on this. Can't possibly realize how playing 500bb/333bb 9-handed pre-ante for 10 minutes could be so much meaningful that it would compensate for worse playing experience for the next 90 minutes

I'm afraid that I don't understand what you're writing here. Are you telling me that there's a .FR tournament showing on .COM? Could you tell me the tournament ID so that I may investigate, please?

Phase 1 satellites to the two Phase Deadline satellites to the Main Event start this evening. There are 31 Phase 1s per Phase 2. I didn't want to start them earlier and overwhelm the client with them, so I decided to start them (roughly) 72 hours out.

Thank you for the above. It's my duty and privilege to provide our players with the best possible tournament poker series, and I take that very seriously. I don't get it right all the time, but I give it everything I have while striving for perfection. Thank you very much indeed.

I'm open to changing things up, mind you... I haven't said otherwise. It's just that I haven't heard a peep of complaint about the structure in place until a few posts ago. Having looked at the two structures side-by-side, I can't say that one is vastly superior to the other, particularly considering the run length of each. Given that we will be running a lot, lot more of these satellites in April and May (for SCOOP), I'm very open to trying out the other style and seeing how they go... so, this is what I think I'll do. For an upcoming NLHE Event, perhaps Event 44 or 45, I'll schedule a significant number of both types and compare the bustout rates, run rates, etc... and take a good hard look at them. I'll be happy to share what I find here too, as far as that goes... and we can continue the discussion that way. Fair enough? I don't play in TCOOP, SCOOP, or WCOOP, so I rely on you all to help me improve things. We've done great work together over the years.

Cool, thanks for replying on this topic. If I remember correctly the ST sats used to have this structure and later were changed, based on feedback to the one starting @ 25/50 and having bb500, bb700 etc. I hope the numbers will show that the 10/20 starting w 10k is obsolete and we are going to see the smoother version in the future.
However, I am not sure how bustout rates (starting @ 25/50) would be interpreted. In fact, earlier bustouts provide smoother 'average stacks/blinds' ratio throughout the tournament + more opportunities for reentry (bigger prize pool) = better exp. (even we talk about freezeouts only - it's still better)
Although the 10/20 1st levels provide on average more hands for everyone per tournament, there's a missing balance between early insignificant pots and suddenly reaching a short-stack play later, which makes the structure unappealing. (you will see a lot of people starting to bust at the same time, while very very few before this)
I don't think there will be significant change in run length, probably 10 or 15 mins longer for the 25/50, if some additional levels after bb1000 are added

Bryan, by 'fr" he means fullring. It's 9max instead of 6max.

Hi Bryan,

Why when approaching the end of the tcoops PS dont update the TLB?

At the beginning of the series it was instant.

Its too obvious the entire process of submitting the tournaments is automatic, I do not believe that a company like yours do it manually.

So the only conclusion I draw is You are acting in bad faith, its too obvious you have a lot of interest players were confused with their position in TLB and play every tournametnts with the hope win the TLB.

Its sad a company like yours submit to this for win a little more money...

yeah thats what i meant. it was showing as 6max on wednesday. however it was fixed on thursday, so problem solved i guess

Is the leaderboard not updating?

concerning the deep turbo sats and the two different structures, i'll say only this:
it really sucks late registering or re-entering really late and having less than 10bb.
other than that i don't mind either one.

overall great job bryan at another COOP series

No, stop updating 3days ago, too suspect.

Really disliked the ultra ko turbo. Having formats that reduce fold equity takes a lot of the skill out of poker and makes the whole thing a crapshoot.

seems reasonable, ty

could saturday be any worse

Got it. I didn't catch the meaning as by the time I read the above post, another colleague had already repaired the message. When said colleague saw my post in here, he sent me an email explaining.

I wrote to the programmer who deals with our tournament feeds about this subject earlier today. The feeds aren't updating, with one result being that the TCOOP leaderboard is not updating properly. They're investigating and will have it fixed as soon as possible.

That's a good point... and thx!

Update: I've heard back from the programmers, and this issue may be fixed as early as tomorrow morning, if not then, then by Sunday. I realize that the timing is inconvenient for TCOOP, but all that can be done to resolve the issue is being done.

couldhavedonemore amirite

Quick $109 Turbo Mini Main Event addition for Sunday? 200-300k GTD? Put it in place of the $109 75k Sunday Edition even? DO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

The schedule of Events is set and has been for quite a long time. We won't be adding any TCOOP Events to the schedule at this time.

it doesnt have to be an official tcoop event

With six TCOOP Events (including the $2M Gtd Main Event), tons of satellites, etc... I don't think there's really a shortage of big things to play this Sunday.

Adding another one willy-nilly would take traffic away from what's out there now, in any case.