opps missed that. I like it as played. This deep nobody is felting preflop with out at least KK+. Villain can probably fold AK and maybe QQ too although they might flat a 4bet.

Point taken but I still think most players at 200nl at least know to cbet a ton in position on dry boards and on the turn villain's range is polarized (I guess a weak player might show up with J8/J9/JT hands not wanting you to see a river with your overs but meh.

also, people might not be thinking "ok cbet now to set up double barrel," but they do actually make the play a lot.

I'll call the with the big suited Axs, ATs+ sometimes from the blinds, really depends on villain. I'm rarely calling with any other suited Ax out of position. I'll 3-bet them against a normal TAG. In position, I'll call with ATs+ a lot, and A2-A5s...A6s-A9s I will often 3-bet.

Its very opponent specific and you need to consider their cbet %, 3bet calling freqency, their floating tendencies in both raised and re-raised pots, game flow etc.

I'd just shove and let him figure out what ******ed stuff he can call with. Even though with 3 to the wheel on the flop, they call with Ax a lot.

Mike,

99 hand either push or c/c is fine, I'm never folding tho.

77 I check he like always. Your equity isn't great, you're OOP with a very marginal holding in a multiway pot.

99 hand I push 100%. I'm pretty sure that brutal aggression is the right strategy against a "bad" shortstacker. Three way, I'm not convinced that $15 is the right betsize on flop. I think $22ish is more likely induce a raise from a better overpair/set, and make the rest of the play easier.

eh check once and if he dosent shove for you do it on the river i think, although shoving now is also fine

sometimes i 3bet but im beginning to think that calling is better. post flop son!

id rather 3bet 23s than ATs

bengiec you're getting some coaching from wcgrider right?

yea why?

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Hero (UTG): $114.90
MP: $246.00
CO: $70.95
BTN: $273.40
SB: $43.70
BB: $125.40

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 8 J
Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, BB calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) 8 9 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13, BB raises to $26, Hero calls $13

River: ($72.50) Q (2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero calls $18


So I play LAG and am taking shots at 100NL cause I run hot at 50NL. Villain is a 51/8/1.5 ATM. tbh i don't know why i opened j8cc...

I got lost on the turn min c/r, not sure if that should be an easy shove. Or if once I hit the river this is an easy shove. You just don't see fish start raising randomly too often...

fold pre / flop good / turn good / i'd shove river for value

might want to rethink your starting standards when your reasoning for doing things is "tbh i don't know why i..."

at a typical NL100 table, this is a really bad hand to open from UTG... everyone is so loose... also you have a guy that calls over 40% of the time in the BB...

opening weak/dominated hands utg vs a huge station in the blinds isn't good. Being a LAG for the sake of being a LAG isn't good. LAGs use position to be laggy from and you are not going to be in a very good spot oop.

13/6/3.0 90 hands - no confrontations, no notes, I might be "lag" in his eyes since I've been pretty active recently.

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BTN: $197.00
SB: $201.00
BB: $388.25
UTG: $131.30
Hero (CO): $360.70

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with J A
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, BTN calls $8, 2 folds

Flop: ($19.00) 3 J 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $13, BTN raises to $30, Hero calls $17

Turn: ($79.00) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($79.00) A (2 players)
Hero...

I was just curious because your name came up a few times over the course of the last week I spent with him, just seeing it it was the same person =)

Wahoo: Why are we not leading more on the turn? As played I probably just call

Mike: I never know what to do in these spots, I probably just check fold, though turning your hand into a bluff with a bet/fold can't be totally terrible, maybe firing something in the $45~ range

Yeah, this is very read-dependent and you don't have any, so I probably just shrug and block for $50. Maybe a low diamond will go away, maybe an A will call thinking it's a chop, you can safely fold to a raise. I'd hate to check and then lose to 66 with a diamond or whatever.

wahoo, I play it like you did, but shove river.

I don't mind the open that much, depending on what the players between me and the BTN are like. To me, it's a bonus there is a huge station in the blinds because you will have position on a guy that never has a hand.

Mike, I probably check call. A 16 vpip guy isn't going to show up with the Qd very often there. He raised the flop on a board where most hands slow play, so what could he have? The Ad and Kd coming are great because it takes away two over and flush draw hands, so it's more likely some small pair that he wanted to 'see where he was at' or take the pot down right away.

As for him betting the river if checked to. What could he have KxQd? Would he call QJo? AxQd I guess is possible to. Will he value bet a worse diamond? Probably not, or not so much that he's not bluffing a good frequency to imo. So, I'd c/c the river. I don't mind checking and him checking behind a weak flush, there's a good chance he will call with it anyway.

Why wouldn't you want to play pots against a weak player in the blinds. He's not going to care that you raised utg and probably has a pretty static range. If the players between you and the blinds aren't giving you much trouble then a stationy player in the blinds is reason to open this, not reason against opening it.

I tend to agree with this but J8s is still to weak from UTG imo. I was going to make this same reply and make the same point about the players between you and the blinds, but it's just not that common and the OP is moving up and taking shots and J8s still isn't quite there imo. J9s seems better if all the other qualities are there.

There you go, Mike, three different answers from three people.

Personally I don't much like c/c because of the paired board. Since either player could quite reasonably have a boat here, I think reduces Villain's percentages of bluffs vs. value bets, and makes it more likely for him to fold a baby flush when Hero bets into him.

ship the turn or min 3-bet or something

I'm with Mike on the J8s hand. Its just too weak to open. You don't want to open it when loose players have position since you're often be dominated and OOP against them. When you have tighter players in MP-BTN you can open up you're UTG range to include suited connectors and some one-gappers but these hands gain value against tighter opponents because when called and flop well you're hand is well disguised. J8s is going to have to win the pot too often with a c-bet to make it profitable.

The fact that BB is a super donk isn't something I really take into consideration here. You'll be able to better exploit him from other positions.

Flop is fine I'd bet slightly more on the turn since the board is so draw heavy but calling is fine since you're IP. OOP I'd b/3b this. If he plays a boat like this then LOL but I think there's value to be had from T9/T7/76/QT and other random crap so a push looks alright here.

This guy is a super nit so what kind of range are we giving him when he calls preflop? 22-JJ, QQ+ is a possibility, AK/AQ maybe AJ/KQ. This guy isn't going to be calling much else from the BTN.

After the flop he could have a strong flush draw with overs but the turn and river eliminate those hands. His AF of 3 suggests he wouldn't check behind AK/AQ/AJ on the turn. He's not raising your cbet with KQ and probably lets his smaller pairs go as well. So my range for him after the turn check would be something like 90% TT-44 and 22 weighted towards the strong pairs, 9% QQ/KK/AA, 1% something completely random.

If he bets the river I'd give him credit for ten-high flush and better. I would just c/f the river and curse the flush gods. Betting is interesting but you're already ahead of most of his range and you'll only fold out a few small flushes and QcQs. Everything else you're behind calls or raises.

I agree w/ you and you probably made my point better than I did. My point was really a combination of factors but my main point was that playing weak hands oop is -ev. IF everyone is folding then ultimately you will have pos on the bb. Also stealing vs a 14/6 is much easier and cheaper than trying it vs a 45/8 or whatever.

Sorry for the cake hh link but its the best way I know of for the site. CO seems somewhat taggish with some cake passivity thrown in, BTN I dont recall exactly but he hadnt been that aggro or anything just sort of standard cake player being loosish passive, comments?

https://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?H...zIjAw83EzcU%3d