i usually just fold with SCs vs nits, but i guess i could start calling and floating more/cr/raising cbets on certain boards.

SCs hit flops more often than PPs, i don't know how SC's "good" flops rate vs PP's "good flops" in terms of % hittage and equity vs ranges.

anyone want to help me understand the differences between these two levels?

You need to open up your game a bit more on NL200 which might result to more variance and making the worst decisions on difficult big pots?

Often in these spots many turn cards will be scary and Hero wont know which of them hit villain's hand and which did not (I remember Bobbo saying something like this on one of his posts). So if the turn is a scare card villain will win with A) drawing hand that hit B) drawing hand that did not hit C) made hand that's worse then Hero's D) air (if he bets).

I dont get it.

Here I think 99 is the same as AA or even A9 to a lesser extent because I don't think this villain would make this river bet without atleast an 8 or a complete bluff (busted draw).

FWIW, I had 77.

If you understand what you wrote above, you do get it. It's the same as the theory in NLHETAP called "The Hammer of Future Bets" or something like that.

I dont undestand which option should I get?

Stupid question but hey... I thought fist pumping was a negative impression.

mike,

i really don't see this as too complicated, I'd call the river. Yeah, theres a 4 straight, but he there really aren't that many 8x combos he can have here, and i dont see why he cant think a lower set is good enough to shove, not to mention a busted draw...people do crazy **** live, and if you're nitty he will never ever put you on an eight there. Also, this kinda looks a lot like an overpair/top pair type hand for you that he thinks he can get lots of value from with any 2 pair or set (or air for the blufffff)

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $99.50
SB: $80.00
BB: $34.00
UTG: $394.05
Hero (MP): $255.70
CO: $83.95

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BTN calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3

Flop: ($12.50) 5 7 J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BTN calls $8, BB folds

Turn: ($28.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, BTN calls $15

River: ($58.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $72.50 all in


Dammit I hate being OOP.

No real read yet on villain except he's been tight over 20 hands. I've been very active, but then again he's only been at the table for 20 hands so he hasn't seen much of it.

I'm ok with my smaller flop bet on this dry flop but I probably should have bet something like $23 on the turn.

I'm kind of lost at the river. I'm not sure if I should bet/fold, bet/call, check/call, or check/fold...

Any comments appreciated.

jbrochu i would fold that river. i don't ever see that overbet shove as a bluff, you probably lost to 76/65. as played i would bet more on the turn.

i decided i wanted to learn to play cash last night

my roi at 22-55sngs is over 15% over a long period of time with ITM% of 47%

i'm starting at 10NL, gonna work my way up slowly learning the differences between the games. However, I think i should give up

am i simply an idiot

JB,

I'd make it at least $20 on the turn.
I would bet the river, and fold to a raise. As played, his shove is something better than top pair...so fold now. To that point however, I think you're range is much better and he'll call with Jx among other things.

edit: I think if he had bet a smaller amount you could call after you checked, but I don't think you can call this bet. But that is why I would bet the river in the first place in this spot.

Beng,

I have yet to play 1/2 at stars but I would imagine that it is a slightly more difficult game than 100nl there but nothing significant. The only other thing I can offer is that I perhaps your style of postflop play increases your variance there and may play into the better players. It could also just come down to variance, you have a couple of 10-12 bi downswings there which you don't have at 100nl.

Bengie,



But what do they know? They're just a couple of boobs.

i have never wanted something so bad and not been able to achieve it.

Well I'm just assuming that on this flop you're not getting raised by a naked pair. There are a ton more combos of draws than of made hands.

My plan for that hand was to call flop and get it in on a blank turn, which essentially means non-diamonds. So if he raised you with a naked 76 or 7d6c or something and that 8h made his hand, good for him, but it's far more likely he has something like JdTx or just a large diamond.

So we're stacking off against flopped two pair, sets, and made flushes just like we would if we 3bet the flop, but our equity is better against draws and combo draws on the turn.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

you're over-adjusting almost certainly, or else you're just running bad. No one has any clue what a worthless sample size 78K hands is tbh. Im down 44 buyins in all-in equity over my last 75k hands

^^^^

Im still + money though b/c im a ****ing beast

What should I do in this spot? Even though I'm getting great odds I feel like often I end up or already am drawing dead. How should I play this and from the c/r on?

Shortie is shortie. Check-raiser is 38/8/1.1 over large sample size. The type that never bluffs in big pots, likes to call down hands just to be sure no-one is bluffing him.



ULI27 ($117.55)
ferretsinc ($19)
steev27 ($39.14)
Sinding ($70.25)
BENNYANDTHEJETTS ($236.97)
Firetribe ($98.50)

ULI27 posts (SB) $0.50
ferretsinc posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Kh Ah
fold, fold, call,
Firetribe raises to $5
fold, call, call,

FLOP ($15.50) 3h 8c 8h
check, check,
Firetribe bets $11
ferretsinc raises all-in to $14
BENNYANDTHEJETTS raises to $25
Firetribe's plan for the hand?

As played just call the raise. 8x is way more likely than 33 so your flush outs are usually good and you're getting like 5:1.

I like betting the flop since you have a significant equity edge against everything but 33 and 8x which are all somewhat unlikely. Against a station and a shortstack, they are definitely getting a bet in behind here with worse draws, floats, and any pair. It's also unlikely you'll be bluffed out.

Villain is 22/17/7 86 hands
How do I continue with a plan?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
CO: $100
BTN: $106.75
SB: $607.95
BB: $90.50
Hero (UTG): $130.20
MP: $67
Pre-Flop: J A dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50
Flop: ($11) 8 T 9 (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9, BTN calls $9, BB folds
Turn: ($29) A (2 Players)
Hero ...

I think pairs are a pretty big part of benny's range. Say if this is his range:

Board: 3h 8h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.718% 40.65% 00.07% 24953 40.00 { AhKh }
Hand 1: 59.282% 59.22% 00.07% 36347 40.00 { JJ-33, A8s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, A8o }

We have good enough pot equity to shove I think. We're rarely crushed and usually a little behind, with some FE.

I dont have pstove here but my range for villain (according the the read I posted) would be:

8x, 33, JJ+...

I'd be VERY surprised to find or PPs 44-TT. They are possible but not probable.

Cha - I get 45% equity for Karp against that range - and you're pretty close to that amount for any range that has a lot of 8s.

Here are the results for my range... please comment.

Board: 3h 8h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.914% 26.91% 00.01% 29568 7.50 { AhKh }
Hand 1: 73.086% 73.08% 00.01% 80307 7.50 { JJ+, 33, A8s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 82s+, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 82o+ }