why are you betting the turn where there's a huge change that he'll fold to our bet? If we check he might go crazy on the river...?

I first wrote out something like "it's your hand and your read, but..."

IME experience getting married to a hand, and feeling like you are war with other players at the table are things you really have to watch out for in cash. Sometimes you should be married to a hand and sometimes you are really at war, but those are just very common problems.

I'm betting in the hopes he has KQ or KJ or worse... and I can get 2 more streets of value.

But anyway if your read is that he'll go crazy on the river or if that is what you're hoping for, why are you asking what to do on the river?

Karp, that's what I thought too - if you play the hand this way you gotta snapcall river.

That wasnt my read. That was my hope. And I was asking if this line (cold-calling PF and checking the turn) is generally good against this type of a player or not. And as played should I call the river.

Two questions on table selection. Since there are 90856908546 tables on my stakes and I have a huge databse + tables selection tool there's a better change for me to find "the perfect" table. However the queus are quite long to the best tables.

True or false?

1. I should always have position on the fish. If I have 47/12/2.5 on my left I should just leave the table and find another one whehre I can have position.
2. Fish with 20-50BBs are worth so much less than the fish with full stack so that I need to switch to a table where I can find fish with 100Bss.

Karp - I think you under-repped your hand the whole way. Why not raise preflop, on the flop, or on the turn? I'm looking to get stacks in asap in this situation.

Now that youre on the river he could have a boat, but its really hard to say without more info on him, because for all he knows, you might have 88 or something like that and he could have a weaker K or 99+ or even a bluff.

I remember Aba saying something like "never fail to raise a tight player, never fail to call a loose player". So I'm imitating without any reasoning

To tarp him? To keep him betting at me...

My hate for money? Same as the flop I quess.



Yea I was too results oriented. But now I see that the river call was probably the only right decision on this hand

Bengiec, I think that for for 120 bbs, QQ, underrepped like that is the nuts. I stick it in pf. Well played.
Greg is a nit. But, it's that he folds a lot of suited connectors and stuff. He can def turn a mid pair or AQ into a resqueezing hand.

bengie,

i'd fold without a lot of thought. i'm glad that all the nits/tags are capable of squeezing/resqueezing. capable does not mean they're doing it enough for getting in with QQ to be profitable... imo.

koreanbuffet,

I like it up until the river... not sure about that, but I think I like it too.

It felt REALLY thin but the guy seemed like he had a clue and that is such an AK AA KK type line.

Agreed it's thin. Obv the only value comes from getting better hands to fold... depends on how he tilts / if he's tilting a lot after the hand he go stacked... I think you said he was tilting or something, not sure what you meant by that exactly?

Idk, at lower stakes I usually don't give people too much credit for being able to fold, but it's hard to analyze HU games from an outside perspective.

Karp,

I'd re-raise pre but I don't mind flatting sometimes.

I like flop and turn. No draws, etc... you sacrifice some value by not betting when he has Kx but you probably gain some when he has 88-JJ b/c he'll almost surely c/c a river bet with those; you also gain some when he hits with something like QJs, Ax, etc.

On the river, I'd get my left hand in the ready position for the fist pump, but I wouldn't actually let it go until after the showdown. I'd be a lot more worried about calling if Mr. 48/14 had limp/called preflop. And I'd go ahead and fist pump if he hadn't made the I've got the nuts-style overbet.

All,

I think from now on you ought to play your hands as me (and my man Wiggs) say. Maybe then you can own the tables like I do. (And no, I wont post the all-in EV graph )

(today)

Pay particular attention to my fist pump strategies. They are the key.

lol


Karp - awesome graph!


Playing a hand like that AK can squeeze more value out of some hands, but it makes for much more difficult decisions on the river. I can't argue with success but it seems a little FPSy to me. Without very good reads it could lead to spewage.

I actually lost that hand and being results oriented I posted it. I quess this could fall into the gray zone where **** dont matter that much? Like in the long run it wont matter at all..?

Quite possibly so, but playing like that will increase variance for sure.

korean, I think your play is fine. The K is a good card to fire a second barrel, and he rarely has much of a hand when he just flats flop and turn on this type of board. If you had total air here, like QJ or something, I wouldn't fire the second barrel if I wasn't firing a third because the board is so drawy.

On the river some times I would c/c and some times I'd shove. It'd depend on my feel for the match and how often I think he has a busted FD and will bet it. In this spot, I might lean towards c/c because you have two 7s. Which cut down on a lot of pair + gutter hands he could have, which is what your trying to bluff out. So, I think he's range is more skewed towards naked draws.

Karps AK hand.

Against a villain like this, I'd raise the flop for value. He's aggro enough to be doing this with a lot of hand and he's loose/bad enough to call your raise with worse. As played, I bet the turn for value. As played, I fold to his over bet shove on the river. It might be a K sometimes, but I think he bets smaller with a K or c/c. I don't think he has air very often, 46 or 68 maybe. But, I don't think he has that enough to warrant a call. His play is pretty consistent with a 7 imo. The donk lead is often just to see where they are at with a mid pair type hand.

Edit: I misread the preflop action. Thought you were the preflop raiser. I'm with Blackize about 3-betting it preflop. I often flat AK against loose players because I don't want them to fold their weak Axs hands pre. However, this guy is so loose he probably won't fold them anyway.

It changes post flop imo. I don't read hands that well when I'm not the pfr, so I'm a unsure of what I'd do here. He has 100% of his preflop range still on the river, so it's very difficult to put him on a hand, or figure out how he'll play different hands in that range. I still think I fold because he has to have air so often here with this price.

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BTN: $348.55
SB: $148.00
BB: $283.65
UTG: $111.60
Hero (CO): $218.85

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $6, SB calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($20.00) 3 Q 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14, BTN folds, SB calls $14

Turn: ($48.00) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $39

villain sucks, etc. thoughts on betting the turn vs checking behind ?

Um well I really don't like it b/c we aren't folding out enough hands imo. I think we fold out hands we have crushed which are other flush draws. Quite a few combo draws continue and we have a ton of outs against pair + FD's. The 9 is also a total blank. You have to have the villain think you would do this with a flopped flush and I'd rather have weaker flushes continue so we can stack on the river.

I agree with korean, and getting c/r here really sucks.

I never know what to do w/ over pairs, actually I always call... when do you fold?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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UTG: $11.60
UTG+1: $21.60
MP1: $26.85
MP2: $19.45
Hero (CO): $27.60
BTN: $2.85
SB: $23.65
BB: $5.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T T
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, 5 folds, MP2 calls $4

Flop: ($13.60) 6 8 8 (2 players)
MP2 bets $13.45 all in, Hero ?