Ya Eagles, hated it too. He said that the guy would have to be really bad to fold that river. I agree that he would be bad to do that . I pointed out that donks make weak valuebets like that with middle pair in my experience.
Shoving flop is pretty good advice especially if the guy had made a proper rr. As it was, I thought it was pretty massive over bet. I think in the future I would tend to shove more often.

I would fold here even though it is a super drawy board. The issue is that this player is a set miner with his stats. He doesn't play all suited connectors and gappers by default with his stats, so his range is skewed here where he bets half his stack and the rest is going in.
Also, he limped in EP which is something of a tell and you are OOP. If you were on the button and he could put you on a larger range, it would be closer.
As is, I fold. BTW, when in pos on him, you should Iso the **** with a large ass range and steal alot off him.

Madsci's 34s hand. The dude is 64/21. When you think about what you're repping you have to filter that through his mind and that's if he's going to even think about how you've played previous streets. That means a whole lot of other hands are possible including rivered flushes or slowplayed sets.

Villain has only top pair a lot there on the river and he's folding that a lot assuming the game conditions are right. He could also have less than top pair.

As far as getting more in earlier, that depends on how bluffy/how much money he likes to stick in. If someone has shown that under a lot of different circumstances they'll put in their whole stack, then I'll chase them.

The important thing is, at least if you're not playing 10 tables or something, to get a very detailed read on anyone who is playing that many hands.

am I losing value not pushing the river? Villain is a TAG whos aggression factor is high on flop but below 2 on turn and river.

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SB ($106.50)
Hero ($95.55)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($101)
CO ($215.52)
BTN ($159.25)

Dealt to Hero 5A

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $4, call,

FLOP ($8) T8A

SB bets $6, Hero calls $6,

TURN ($20) T8A7

SB bets $13, Hero calls $13,

RIVER ($46) T8A75

SB bets $26, Hero calls $26

i would probly agree with this, but you only have 80 hands on villain. i think you can include hands like ATs-AJs, KQs-JTs even TT,88-77 can play this hand this way. he's also betting 2x pot, which is a little big to be extracting value with a set. call me a spewtard, but i push.

If he's any good he's not calling with any hand you beat. I guess he might call with T8 but I think you are value towning yourself if you do anything but call this river.

87 is calling and fits with his line. AK AQ and AJ also I don't give someone credit enough to fold at this level.

If there wasn't a flush and a straight out there then I think shoving or raising the river is fine but that board is very scary to 1 pair. With this board I think a villain is more likely to check/call with AJ-AK then bet/call with it.

Sorry the hand isn't converted

I copied/pasted it into Notepad while playing. I play cash randomly at times through the month so I can give money back to the poker community. I was really lost here and would appreciate any thoughts. This is my 3rd hand at the table, I have a full stack and villain is sitting with about $120.

** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheLipoFund [Ks Kh]
Pok3rSchwanZ: folds
danger1411: folds
rompa thompa: raises $2 to $3
Coordi: folds
japo07: folds
HuGaDaS: folds
TheLipoFund: raises $8 to $11
99killed: folds
schneewurst: folds
rompa thompa: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [6h 8h Th]
rompa thompa: checks
TheLipoFund: bets $18
rompa thompa: calls $18
*** TURN *** [6h 8h Th] [7d]
rompa thompa: checks
TheLipoFund: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 8h Th 7d] [4c]
rompa thompa: bets $27
TheLipoFund: ???


How bad was my turn check? Is that a bet/fold spot? Or bet and snap call? I felt so lost on the river as well. Any thoughts are appreciated.

I would check behind on turn too. call river imo.

Why do we check turn? I'd b/c in a 3bet pot with the Kh..
River is a call but you underrepped your hand a lot here lipo imo

I check the turn because I'm lost

But by doing so I turned my hand into a bluffcatcher since he can profitably bet ATC vs me on the river making me even more lost

Sence makes sense.

Bet/calling or bet/folding turn look gross so I think checking is fine. Just make sure to value bet almost every river if he checks to you again.

B/F River is fine right if he shoves a vBet?

That's not a bad plan and I'll play that way vs. most regulars. If I have no info on villain, I'll bet/call the turn and it might make my heart beat a little harder if he pushes, but I certainly won't be shocked to be ahead.

Call river bet? Seems very likely he was chasing and hit...

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Hero (BB): $27.90
UTG: $23.25
UTG+1: $24.50
UTG+2: $36.00
MP1: $24.50
MP2: $12.95
CO: $23.70
BTN: $13.85
SB: $9.85

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with A 9
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50) 9 6 8 (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.50) A (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, UTG+2 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $1

River: ($5.50) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets $2, SB folds, Hero calls $2, UTG+2 folds

How's my line on this hand?

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Hero (BTN): $25.85
SB: $21.85
BB: $24.15
UTG: $12.25
UTG+1: $30.15
MP1: $21.90
MP2: $35.85
CO: $13.60

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 6 9
5 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) 8 9 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $3.75, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.75) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB folds

Sorry I haven't been contiributing to this thread lately. Something about multiple hands in one thread I don't like. Anyway, here's a hand were I think there are some interesting decisions (note: not difficult, but interesting) on every street with regards to planning the hand, and bet sizing to manipulate your opponent into doing what you want.

So, first is preflop. Information I had when making my decision here is as follows:

CO is 30/13. So, pretty loose passive, but I think he's range is pretty decently wide from the CO here.

SB is 26/22/2.20 and will squeeze every single time he gets the opportunity.

BB is 43/9 and lol bad. <3 this guy.

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MP: $600.00
CO: $406.00
Hero (BTN): $877.00
SB: $2074.75
BB: $206.10
UTG: $615.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q A
2 folds, CO raises to $24, Hero ????

Dr J, A9 hand.

This is a spot where you can't really expect him to bet a lot of worse hands very often with the flush draw getting there. You basically have to decide how difficult of a fold it really would be. If it's really difficult, I tend to b/f because the reason it is a hard decision is because you know villains can show up with worse hands and even call a bet, and you can easily fold to a raise.

However, with the fd getting there and this many villains, I think it's a pretty easy fold...so, I vote for c/f.

69, I think I check back the turn. There's really nothing you bet he can call you with unless he has like Ad8 or something stupid like that. And if you are betting as a bluff to get better hands to fold, you are going to need to bet big on the river too.

Something sexy might be some sort of blocking bet, like a min bet or something donkish like that which will keep him from leading the river.

If I check back, I'd just wait and see what he does to decide on the river.

I agree he probably can't hand read, but he probably isn't folding a pair of aces because it's a pair of aces.

Karp,
NH he will call with worse, but he will always call better and he will check the turn or river with worse a lot.

DrJ,
Call with A9 because it is so small, but fold to a lot of bets.

Lipo,
Bet/call the turn he will get it in with tons of pairs+hearts he doesn't have 9x very often, the main problem with the turn is he is more likely to fold JTcc.

Jeckyl,
Check turn it diamond river sucks, but they don't happen that often and they don't improve that much of his range.

Yeah I donk called the river and he had 99 no heart. I dropped like $350 in 45 seconds playing $100NL

Thanks for the advice though, I thought the turn check was pretty bad in hindsight

Devin, AQ

If SB really is "squeezing every single time" then you can call now and 4-bet or call his 3-bet and move on any flop. But I don't think you really mean "every single time" do you? I personally still don't want to get squeezed with AQ but that's just my inexperience. If BB is "lol bad" because he does stupid **** like minraise a bunch from BB or something aggro-bad PF, then I could really see deep-limping AQs and re-raising as now you've got 2 players with that tendency. AQs isn't a bad hand to see a flop with multiple players if it doesn't happen.

I would just standard 3 bet while on the button here. Since CO is somewhat short, even a smaller 3-bet might be adequate to set up the rest of the hand. But I also don't know if I want BB--as bad as he may be--to come along. I'd like to hear what you did and your thoughts as I could see this as an interesting spot, but I'm still in a fairly ABC mode while learning cash.