post em! i haven't ever really thought about PLO, but should be a learning experience!

I'm really just lost in so many fairly standard spots. Prob should stove a bunch to figure out what my equity is on board textures with my hands. Also need to figure out hand strengths pre.

5/5 game. Game is very loose. Straddles almost every hand. Routinely will go limp limp limp raise 6x and goes 6 way to the flop type stuff.

Someone opens to 20 from mp. 3 flatters and I'm in bb with JJKTss. Strong enough to reraise? If I make it $60-100 everyone probably calls. If we aren't raising that how tight should we be repopping?

Or I have 3500 villain covers (super loose pre, not sure about post). I repop AAJT pre, flop is K98r, I cbet 175 villain makes it 600. Flat/fold/raise?

Hand 1 - I'd just flat. DS and you could think about 3 betting since you can't get blown off your hand. Probably still flat though oop in a live game with deep stacks. From what I hear about live games is you kinda just want to nut peddle the fish and not increase your variance too much vs the regs. If the game is regularly getting 400-500 bbs deep then you need a pretty damn big bankroll to safely play in it. No sense running the risk of downswinging out of the game by pushing every edge.

Hand 2 - Are you suited? If not, you need to think about just flatting pre oop this deep(or are you saying it's limped around and you repopped?). Seems nitty but it's really really hard to get stacks in post with AAxx this deep with a non aggrotard. When you flop an Ace most guys are shutting down or go into call mode with their draws. As played you have to call with 10 nut outs.


There's a pretty good PG&C thread of a guy that quit his job to play live poker. He started out at NL and switched to Omaha even though he had almost no experience with it. He's now crushing after a very short period.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...poker-1182301/

5/10/25 game.

Game was amazing a few minutes ago mostly because of one or two whales who blew up every pot and would get it in fairly lightly for 700+ bbs.

Then he decides this isn't enough action so he gets a 10/25 game running which is basically 10/25/50/100 and half our table leaves to play it. We get our replacements from the must move and the game is still ok.

V1 (~7k) is one of those replacements. He's a middle aged guy, looks Indian. He's on the list for the bigger game and clearly likes the action. Will straddle pre from any position if no one behind him is straddling. He's only been at the table for 30-45 mins but in that times he's raising at least 50% of hands. He also barrels a lot post flop, makes a lot of raises, etc.

V2 (~4k) is a middle aged semi reg. He's ok at nlhe but not sure about his PLO game. Sometimes he does things that makes me think he really knows what he's doing, other times I'm scratching my head. Was playing pretty tight when the previous maniacs were at the table but he's opened up considerably since they left. I think him and v1 have been getting into it.


Notable hand:

Straddled pot. V1 opens pre to ~100. Short stack ships it (2xx) with an obv big pair. V2 flats and they V1 calls.

Flop is T42hhs, v2 checks and v1 bets 400 or so. V2 calls.

Turn is Js and v2 leads for 800. V1 quickly makes it 3500. V2 tanks for a couple minutes and folds.

V1 and the shorty run it twice. Shorty has KK and v1 has 9652hhss. V1 binks both rivers and scoops. V2 is not happy.

Hand in question.

I have ~2600
V1 7k
V2 4k

Straddled pot.

We have AA87ds

One limp, v1 raises to 75 folds to me (2 to his left) and I pot to $280. Folds to V2 (sb) and he calls. V1 calls.

Flop (~870): 986r (we have both bdfd's)

V2 checks, v1 bets 500.

Hero?

And DD that thread is great thanks for the link.

I saw it earlier in the year when he started his quest but didn't know he switched to mostly PLO.

CQ, seems like an easy flop call.

Yeah, I don't think you can really do anything but call the flop. If V1 was nitty then I could find a fold since our equity is trash vs straights and sets. However, V1 is most likely leading all types of hands here knowing you'll fold all your overpairs that don't have a draw.

That $ounds like it'$ a fanta$tic game if you are $killed at Omaha.

What does V2's flat likely collapse his range down to in comparison to that board? No flush draw out has to at least help getting him to fold some draws. I wanna iso-pot-ship vs. crazy-bad V1, but I suck at Omaha.

Lol, for people who actually play Omaha, how do we proceed Turn/River if we call and V2 folds?

Good question! I would probably call turn/fold river unimproved.

What would we have done if it checked around to us? Aren't over pairs borderline bluff catchers most of the time? Obv this part is hugely villain dependent

On turn we'll have about a pot size bet left. We can't fold on any turn that improves us(flush draw, 5/8/T/A) or else we shouldn't be calling flop. Villain is very likely to barrel since he probably thinks we raise the nuts 100% on the flop.

Its a fold

Do you feel good about yourself making me ask whyyyyyyy

sorry, didn't follow up on why
I dont think your equity will go higher than 55% even for hands you think are a suspect bet for him, you have a player to act behind, a lot of more playable hands are rundowns and might have a piece of both in which ur screwed ,
having a little bit of everything (tp, bad straight draw, two bdfds) doesnt make up for the fact that if someone hits this flop hard, they might have both (set, sd) as a lot of their preflop holdings will also have straight playability (KQ66 vs 669T?)

Say we have an all in 3 way preflop.

Player 1 has 500
Player 2 and 3 have 3k each

Player 1 wants to run it once and players 2 and 3 want to run it twice. 2 boards run with v1 only eligible for the main.

Both boards are spread and V2 wins the first board, V3 wins the second board.

V1 mucks his hand.

Is this an even chop between v2 and v3 for the main and side pot?

Or would v2 take the main pot and v2/v3 chop the side?

Both runs have to be for the same size pot, or the math doesn't work to keep it the same EV.

I can't imagine that being a fold lol. Why would we even 3bet if we're not going to put $ in on a flop we hit hard?

Que?

Does this answer my Q or are you saying its simply not worth it for us to run it twice?

Well we don't hit it that hard. We have a oesd where there's already 2 straight possibilities and we aren't even drawing to the nut straight. I think we're ahead of the donkers range but with the other villain in the hand it seems a bit more marginal.

Good points, I'm clearly overvaluing the hand!

2/3/5

Hero: $600 down 40bbs since at the table. won a few multiwaypots without showdown. sucked out on BB in the hand JT9ddd, Ah, Qd w/ KsTc against ATc earlier. where i checked/called/checked in position as the PFR. probably viewed as tight

BB $600: younger israeli kid. limps a lot. didn't vbet river in a really easy vbet spot on J6446. big pot small river bet situation. overall probably decent and not going to be a winner in this game

UTG+1 $300: loose passive indian. whale/fish.

BTN $1200: aggressive fishy guy. won a largish stack by having the nuts/AA a few times


Hero (UTG) raises QQ $20, UTG+1 calls, folds to BTN who calls, BB calls.

$80, 862

BB leads $65, Hero?

Wait, you checked back that broadway straight?
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I call. I think even whales can pitch things like 99 if they face a raise committing their stack in this spot, at least in my games. Annoying you give the others a price to see a turn card, but I'd be too afraid you close out too many marginal hands that you have crushed like 99,TT,JJ,A8 if you raise

a bit too specific but
If his range is 99-JJ (half the time), and sets (all the time), ur 51%/48% ahead

[QUOTE=entim;39752810]Wait, you checked back that broadway straight? ]

it brought the 4 flush. I'd imagine there is some value here though, betting with the 4flush. he almost never has a chop K here, but will sometimes call with less than a flush.

not too specific at all! i am curious how to do the math for weighting certain parts of someone's range, if you could share that i'd be indebted!!

I really had no idea what composed his lead range. In the hand I defaulted to it being strong. But it felt kind of funny as I have a really strong part of my range here. I recollect him leading before at least once in limped pot with a pair and a gutshot earlier, so I'm inclined to believe is more aggressive than not. However, much diff spot.

I definitely agree with you on closing out the marginal hands I have crushed. I would even imagine the money we lose to a hand that was behind us on the flop is less money we win a hand that would have folded had we raised. I am more inclined to raise here with over cards or a draw of some sort. Or if I have you know, a better read or something.

Yes boys. Getting back on the cash game grind in Dublin

Ive got a place closer to the casino this year, 10e in a taxi as opposed to 20e. But I hope to give school a right go, so going to have to plan poker sessions very strictly. I am off weed atm and it feels much better for my game.

Anyway, some hands

1/2 (sometimes 5 straddle)
9 handed table
3 limps EP
dealt to hero OTB (Q 9 )
hero limps button
sb completes
bb checks, 6 way to the flop

Q 9 J

chk,chk, older man with pokerstars headphones bets 12e, older asian station lady calls 12e, passive fish calls 12e

(pot 48e)
stacks:
ps headphones : 300e
asian lady : 200e
passive fish: 200e
hero covers


preflop : this is right below my raising range. I will raise QJs, maybe QTo, a suited ace, maybe 66+. The last limper, passive guy, has limped behind AJo before, but he will play fit or fold even with that hand

flop:

original bettor is not light here, but the other two will raise straights (and sets discounted because of their preflop playing) so it seems I am well ahead of them

call or raise? If I raise im getting value from the two callers when they have KQ, pair and draw type hands very often, but I dont want to commit against original bettor if he has a straight already , or monster draw I could have seen an extra card against

I don't straddle in the games, when other players do.
Should I? It's such a big decision. I feel more comfortable with extra big blinds so I can be "sure" on a later street, if I 3bet from the straddle it's now looking at a 100euro pot if at least called. Shortstacks can play much easier with one or two bets behind instead of doing their call/call / fold business
I rarely call oop so this is why I don't want to straddle.
But open to advices. Thoughts?