Bet sizing on made hands is really the hardest part for me.

Villain was 24/14/1.19 AF 263 hands. Comments on all streets especially river. Thought about check shoving but thought a fake block bet(too fps for 1/2 NL?) might get a flush draw to raise and would get a small pair hand to call. Didn't really see his AF until after the hand so I guess I should've just made a PSB on the river. Blah, I suck.

Edit: I guess there's little chance the guy had a flush draw given his small turn raise.

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SB: $316
BB: $545.05
Hero (UTG): $313.15
MP: $203.70
CO: $285.75
BTN: $206.75

Pre-Flop: J J dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $7, MP folds, CO calls $7, 3 folds

Flop: ($17) 2 8 5 (2 Players)
Hero bets $12, CO calls $12

Turn: ($41) T (2 Players)
Hero bets $29, CO raises to $65, Hero calls $36

River: ($171) J (2 Players)
Hero bets $50, CO calls $50

Results: $271 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed J J (three of a kind, Jacks) and WON $268 (+$134 NET)
CO mucked A A (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$134 NET)

I would normally bet about $14 on that flop texture.

The turn bet size is fine. A lot of times if you're planning to get it in on the river you might bet the turn bigger so you have about a PSB left for the river, but here stacks are too deep and you're not necessarily strong enough anyway. I would be pretty concerned about the small turn raise but think you have to call and evaluate the river.

The way the turn action went I think I would just open shove even though its a bit of an overbet. But maybe I'm being results oriented because I can see the results...

ditch,

I'd either check or bet bigger. I don't think these type players tend to bluff when bet into. Guys with AFs around 1-1.5 often call a lot and bet when checked to.

Because so much of his range on a board like this is missed draws, I don't mind checking. But, if I was going to bet, I'd bet like 100 or so and let him convince himself that whatever marginal made had he has is good.

I'd also use timing tells to sway my decision between betting or checking. The quicker he called on the flop and turn, the more likely he has a draw imo and therefore the more likely I'd be to check to him.

edit: I missed that he actually raised the turn. I think I c/r the river. I don't that that J is going to be super scary for him, and he'll likely value bet. I don't think he shows up here with weak made hands, so he's not checking behind that often. The question becomes does he call a c/shove, and if not does he bet as much as we could get by leading the river.

c/r the river or open shove, either work fine.

Also, I make mistakes on the turn there like 100% of the time, if I fold I'm always good and if I call I'm always behind. FWIW, he played his hand like 66-TT so its tricky to me on every street. Also, your betsizing is weak on every street except the pf raise. If you are playing every street for value, bet 3/4 pot or so. nh tho.

crai river plz

I think my problem was after he raised the turn I thought I was already beat most of the time thats why I did the gay block bet. I just figured most flush draws give up on the river and most 2 pairs and sets raise and river bet. I was right about him having me beat on the turn just how slowly he had played his hand. Actually, the main problem is that I didn't look at his AF before I bet the the turn or the river. After looking at it I think the turn is a bet/fold and the river is definitely a bet/call. Vs a reg there's no way I'm folding on the turn. Blah, wtf do I know.

Against most I'd fire 2 yeah... maybe not against people who are real calling stations because a lot of the value in firing 2 here comes from people folding better draws like QT or a higher flush draw and from people folding something like 2nd pair. There are a lot of people who will call a relatively small flop bet with hands like these but will fold if you bet bigger on the turn. If you fire 2, I'd sometimes fire 3. I'd fire 3 against people who I thought could call 2 with draws, but I'd need that read.... I think anyone who gets to the river with a made hand isn't going anywhere - the exception is, I might also fire 3 if I had already had a few hands get shown down at that table where I've made thinnish value bets, not that firing 3 with something like TPTK is necessarily thin, but I'd want people to have seen me take that line for value before I try it as a bluff.

Ditch,

This is a great spot for a river check/raise is others have said and I think this move best allows you to get in (and get called).

If you bet, wow, please do it for more than 1/3 of the pot. Dude raised the turn, either he was semi-bluffing and probably won't call anything (your line actually might induce a bluff shove once in a while but probably not usually) or he has a big made hand and will call a lot more than $50.

I'd check/raise, but if I bet it would be more in the neighborhood of $125.

"I think the turn is a bet/fold"

Yeah, I thought that as well... it sounds good in theory. But in practice I always say "WTF he should have raised the flop with a set... he could only have T8s... oh he could be semibluffing... **** it, it's only like a min-raise anyway, CALL".

That small raise on the turn doesn't make us feel too good about our hand, but we have to consider our equity against his entire range. He could definetly have hands we beat there (draws, pair + draw like QhTh, random donk move) so I think in general calling is correct against his range unless we have a more specific read. I don't think his AF over 250 hands or whatever alone is enough to make the turn into a bet/fold even though this time he happened to have AA.

Why do I never recognize spots that might be good for a river c/r...?

every draw missed and he probably doesnt raise the turn that small with a draw very often. he has to assume you're shoving anything really strong on the turn, so its really easy for him to put you on one of the 9898594859 busted draws and call a river shove with a lot of hands, so open-shove river i think.

probably because there arent that many and its not an exact science. THe best spots are usually against super bluffy opponents (obv). Lots of regs are very transparent with TPGK type hands and will c-bet flop, check turn for pot control, v-bet river if checked to. When you miss a turn c/r against these types you can try again on the river.

Villain seems TAG. If there's a fold somewhere on which street is it? I would had folded to bigger bets on every street FWIW...


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NoDiscount ($55.10)
Firetribe ($50.30)
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Riu88 ($53.55)
Tarzanxxx ($29.85)

mendinhas posts (SB) $0.25
NoDiscount posts (BB) $0.50

Dealt to Firetribe Tc Ts
Firetribe raises to $1.75
fold, call, fold, fold, fold,

FLOP ($4.25) 5h 4s 3d
Firetribe bets $4
Riu88 raises to $10
Firetribe calls $6

TURN ($24.25) 5h 4s 3d Kd
check,
Riu88 bets $10
Firetribe calls $10

RIVER ($44.25) 5h 4s 3d Kd Kh
check,
Riu88 bets $14
Firetribe calls $14

I'd play it the same. He's repping a monster or air. And with his bet sizing it is air enough to call down imo.

OR 37/17 lost a big pot <10 hands ago and has been saying "lets all go all in", but not actually doing it.
Flop shover is unknown.

PF ok?

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Hero (UTG): $99.50
MP: $16.95
CO: $95.95
BTN: $76.30
SB: $104.00
BB: $235.75

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $3.50, MP raises to $16.95 all in, 2 folds, SB calls $16.45, 1 fold, Hero raises to $40, SB calls $23.05

Flop: ($97.95) 7 4 5 (3 players - 1 is all in)
SB bets $64 all in, Hero calls $59.50 all in

I think if you are going to put the $40 reraise in, you need to be prepared to stack off on a flop like this.

Mike unless SB is a complete drooler 4bet pre sucks imo.

2 4 bet hands. Both seemed pretty standard given stats and stuff but just what to check.

First villain was 38/34 over 90 hands. 2nd guy, 18/11 4% 3 bet over 1k hands, was a little tight and hadn't done anything out of line and probably knew that first villain was opening really wide. Pretty sure i'd call if first villain shoved and will probably be priced in if 2nd villain shoves(maybe not as I doubt he shoving any worse than JJ+ AK+).

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CO: $292.55
BTN: $219.65
SB: $189
Hero (BB): $206.30
UTG: $203
MP: $195

Pre-Flop: Q A dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO raises to $7, BTN folds, SB raises to $22, Hero raises to $58, 2 folds

Results: $51 Pot
Hero mucked Q A and WON $51 (+$29 NET)




3 better was like 56/29 with 18% 3 bet over 50 hands. About 10 of those hands were 3 handed. Cold caller was 22/16 in ~30 hands. I had been fairly aggressive pre and post flop at the table.


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BTN: $114.90
SB: $196.25
BB: $239.50
Hero (UTG): $279.20
MP: $291.40
CO: $142.50

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $7, MP folds, CO raises to $24, 2 folds, BB calls $22, Hero raises to $88, 2 folds

Results: $73 Pot
Hero mucked A Q and WON $73 (+$49 NET)

I really don't like either of those 4bets.

First one I don't like because the 3bettor is really tight and his 3bet % is really low(and hardly leaves room for any light 3betting).

Second one I don't like because you don't have a reliable sample of hands on the 3bettor and you raised UTG and those stats over 50 hands aren't enough to make me feel very certain he's 3betting light a lot here. Additionally I dislike it because I find that when someone cold calls a 3bet they very rarely fold to a 4bet and a lot of times their range is like TT+ AQs+ AKo, and in particular the TAGgy 21/19 types like to flat their big hands here.

Don't really like either the 1st one is okay if sb isn't a nit.
Second one cold caller has a big hand call and try to flop a pair.

Lol, results oriented ftw!

No hands with villain. The only potential read is very last hand I got check-raised on the turn and I folded (flop check-check).

But when you flop TPTK when TP is a baby, and the board is really draw heavy, what do you think about? There's only a few cards in the deck you really want to see, and you're almost always going to be facing a turn bet. I have to c-bet this, right? Folding seems weak, but seems like the best option. Help please...maybe some "general" thoughts on how to play this type of situation?

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SB: $115.30
BB: $96.00
UTG: $73.65
Hero (CO): $102.65
BTN: $95.40

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) 7 4 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.50, BB raises to $14, Hero...

Yeah, mikey, **** em! You played it correctly obvioiusly
Although I could see squeezing in the first hand...I hate that he's a pretty tight 3-bettor as far as I can tell atm.
The second hand CO has a short stack, I just don't ever see him folding so dislike that one even more.

If you know he is tight pre, I would probably call and get it in on blank turns since he can't have hands like 68, 54, 75, 74, etc so most of his c/ring range are semibluffs/bluffs/sets. I dunno how randoms play at 100nl and I don't hate folding.

Full Ring Question here. I'm playing primarily 6max cash now so I haven't been around but STTF has always treated me well and the players here know their ****. Its nice to come home every once and awhile.

So my roommate and I have a disagreement on how to play AA UTG. I'm a stark advocate that AA should never be limped unless. . .

1) You know you're going to get raiser behind you by someone playing loose.
2) Other people will call or raise that raise because he's playing loose.
3) You're likely to get action from your coming c/r
4) You won't get reraised by the loose player if you raise from EP

My roomie, on the other hand, likes to limp AA half the time or so in order to allow himself to limp more medium sized pairs. Also, he doesn't like getting cold called by a few people forcing him to play AA OOP.

I counter that raising AA should allow him to raise more medium sized pairs, especially if he's getting multiple cold calls as that allows him to effectively play for the medium pairs set values in that spot.

Cheers,
Kibby