Well the 7 hands was my guess. Actually have him on 40/20/25 over 10 hands now, but that is after the hand. At the time of decision I remembered the 12.5%, so it was prolly 8 instead of 7.

Then again, what do you do if he is 40/20/25?


Devin, with the dead money I meant the cold caller on CO. Seems highly unlikely he can call a shove.

There's a $1.50 in dead money. I wouldn't use that to weight my decision very much.

Lol, ok ok.

CO has the strongest range here, and MP2's range is not weak. I really don't see why you think he can't call a shove.

40/20/25 over a decent sample size, I can see the point of getting it in.

But even then I'd like the CO to 3bet/4bet (in this case) the top of his range (a 3bet of 0 out of 140 implies that he might not be 4betting a top of his range here) and not have such a small PFR/VPIP gap (that leaves little room for him cold calling the 3bet with a ******ed holding).

Devin, he is obviously assuming the CO coldcall is really weak and is gonna be followed by a fold really often and hence is semi-dead. If you are saying that that isn't true... I agree.

edit: damn, I'm too slow for you guys.

Any thoughts on 55 hand as well?

well, I would raise more on the flop. Pot there is to 18, and you only made it 10. I'd make it more like 12-14.

on the turn, I would bet that size if I was folding to a raise. You are just asking to get raised by saying you don't like the turn card and by not looking like ur setting up a river shove.

I'm usually either c/c in that spot so I can get blow off my outs, or b/c. I don't really like b/f with such a strong hand and 10 outs.

Maybe I'm missing something, but that AJs hand looks spewy. I'd just fold...maybe call.

PF: Fine.
Flop: Yeah I check/raise to a bit more. He is not folding any made hand (which are mostly overpairs) for a bit more and the board is drawy. It might induce some floats, but that's not that good OOP on a drawy board.
Turn: Sucks, I guess he mainly has overpairs and hands that just made a flush. If you can be somewhat certain that he is not shoving AhAx/KhKx on you (or even a dry overpair) I guess I like this line (gets value from worse, lets you get away vs the rest). But yeah, what Devin says, this bet screams to get shoved on. And folding with what either has 22% equity or otherwise might even be a giant favourite sucks hard. No clue what I'd do, probably stack off in some way... but I'm definitely not happy about it, suck spot. Devin; what are you doing on a blank river if you c/c? c/c the rest of it?

Once it gets to the point of his turn raise, here's something to think about:

Board: 5h 8h 3c 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.646% 51.65% 00.00% 659 0.00 { 5c5s }
Hand 1: 48.354% 48.35% 00.00% 617 0.00 { AcAh, AdAh, AhAs, KcKh, KdKh, KhKs, QcQh, QdQh, QhQs, JcJh, JdJh, JhJs, TcTh, TdTh, ThTs, 9c9h, 9d9h, 9h9s, 88-77, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh }

Maybe his holdings are more heavily weighted towards flushes, but you're getting ~2-1 and cant be too far behind a likely range, so dont fold there.

I had a real frustrating sequence of hands on a table where I had 3 guys buddy listed, a nit, and I guy that seemed like a weak reg.

So, I'm just going to post them all:

I'm not sure what my image is. My stats were like 20/5 after 20 hands or something, so I probably look fishy.

Villain is the nit. Although he turned out to be 23/22, he was like 17/15 at this point. 2.3 AF...but so few hands nothing is converged.

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BB: $67.84
UTG: $50.00
MP: $40.65
CO: $156.49
Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $48.39

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with K A
UTG raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 8 A Q (2 players)
UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.75) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $6.00, Hero calls $6

River: ($20.75) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ????

Villain in this hand is buddy listed from previous, although I don't remember him.

He's 34/13/2.5. Limps 26% from EP.

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UTG: $63.31
MP: $50.00
CO: $40.65
BTN: $156.49
Hero (SB): $51.00
BB: $48.89

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with T Q
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50) 8 Q Q (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($1.50) J (3 players)
Hero bets $1.00, BB folds, UTG calls $1

River: ($3.50) K (2 players)
Hero bets $3.00, UTG raises to $12.50, Hero ????

Villain in this hand is the weak reg.

He turned out to be 29/20/14, but at his point he's like 26/16 or so.

No history. cbets 88%.

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SB: $62.03
BB: $50.00
UTG: $41.65
MP: $144.20
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $48.64

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with T J
1 fold, MP raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.75) J T A (2 players)
MP bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.75) 8 (2 players)
MP bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

River: ($24.75) 7 (2 players)
MP bets $12.50, Hero ????

same weak reg as above hand.

This is later in the session. I might have the image of titled cause I chat tilted a bit, but my play has not been tilted at all.


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BB: $78.93
UTG: $56.16
MP: $41.03
CO: $149.63
Hero (BTN): $53.29
SB: $44.99

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 5 6
2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) Q K 6 (2 players)
CO bets $2.50, Hero raises to $7.50, CO calls $5

Turn: ($18.75) 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($18.75) 5 (2 players)
CO bets $10.00, Hero ????

Hand 1: I would've 3bet AK pf. As played I would play flop and turn the same and bet ~$12-$13-ish on river.

Hand 2: It's kinda difficult to put him on a hand and in-game I too often click the call button here, because his line close to always means you're beat somehow. Very annoying spot. Other than that seems fine to me.

Hand 3: I could see myself 3bet pf, but I think I've understood from you from the past that you rather do that with top of your range of weaker hands and not hands like these. As played pf I would definitely raise the flop, both for value and to protect your hand. If you flat the flop I would not definitely raise the turn, because it somehow seems you're going to miss value otherwise with his smallish bets, also because if you raise the river it's more difficult to get value. So this line seems too passive for me.
On the river I would probably still minraise/fold for value. As he will click call with AK/AQ, although it is very thin.

Hand 4: If I compare this to the earlier hands it seems you are floating with good hands and raising with "air", which I don't really like at 50nl, since they still have difficulties folding hands we actually want to fold out. As played, I would likely also check behind on the turn, since it seems he definitely caught this board. On the river I would again minraise/fold, since he bets seems blockish, which to me seems like your 2 pair is good.

I'm likely way-off though, since I don't play 6max much.

Well, we definitely see things differently.

AK hand: I 3bet this a lot as well, especially if they know me cause I 3bet the button a lot. But here I flat for a few reasons, I want to keep AQ/AJ hands in, and there are two fish in teh blinds.

JT hand: I don't mind the idea of raising the flop, but what are you doing if he 3bets? If he just flats, then are you b/f turn? Raising that flop puts AK and AQ in a terrible spot, and I think our equity sucks if we raise/call. I can't really think of a worse hand that get's it in on the flop or turn.

when people flat the flop, raise the turn on a blank board that his a pfr range pretty hard what does it look like? I think that line would severly over rep my hand, and if he doesn't fold, I'm not happy abou the situation.

On the river, you are min raise folding? really? for one, a 3bet by him is also going to be a min raise. Second, what are we repping, and where does JT fall in that range? again, I think we are repping much much stronger than JT if we raise the river.

In fact, I seriously did think about shoving the river, but as a bluff to get him to fold AJ/AT.

65 hand: I'm not sure what to make of your comment about me floating strong hands and raising air. Obviously I raise air some times, obviously I raise strong hands a lot more often than air.

It's the middling hands, and dry flop that I'm going to play passive for the most part. I think the big difference is that you see JT on a AJT board as a big hand, which it is. But, I think if we start playing it fast like we have a big hand, it quickly becomes a weak/medium strength hand vs their big pot range.

I'm more concerned with not over repping my hands, then worried they'll catch on that I'm not raising the middling portion of my range.

I chose to raise this hand for a few reasons. Villain is opening a lot from the CO, and just auto cbetting, which is probably enough of a reason to raise the flop. Second, I have ok equity against his calling range. Kx, some Qx hands. Also, at 50nl they love to let you off the hook by playing there big hands too fast in spots. So, he's often just going to ship KK, QQ, KQ here and I don't have to worry too much about any reverse implied odds of binking my two pair. I also have a bd flush draw.

The river I was lost. I did think about raising, but I also thought about folding. If it wasn't 50nl, I'd be wondering why he'd value bet anything here since I pretty much always have air with this line and can't call.

I was going to say call call call call to all 4 of those, but deurdy's minraise the river line makes some sense on the last two.

interesting cause I folded folded folded called.

I agree with you 100% on that JT Devin - I would not raise that flop ever for the reasons you said.

I probably call too much, but I dont see good enough reasons to fold any of those.

QT - I usually am not happy when I call there, but I get a good note out of it when I lose, and when I win those I feel smart. Maybe my win rate would be better if I could fold better on hands like that one.

The JT, my standard line is just call the river.

Same with 65, but I dont play the earlier streets similar to that very often because I'm usually playing 40 BBs deep games, and hands like that have less value in my games.

As said, to me this looked like a blockbet, to prevent you from betting big on the river and have him guessing, while it most likely giving him some additional value if you call.

I think you made a typo there, cause villain checks to you in the AK hand on the river.

deurdy...I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with you on the JT hand. Even if they do 'just click call' with AK AQ, they still aren't going to do it 100% of the time. And even if they do, they aren't going to click call again on the turn and river. I just don't think I get called >50% of the time by worse hands.

Even if they call the flop fold the turn, there's really not more EV imo than if they bet bet bet or bet bet c/f than if the bet/call fold. The regs at 50nl aren't that much worse than 200nl imo. I think you give them not enough credit. Sure, they're not good. They check the bluff card when they hit, they c/c when they don't know what else to do and c/c is the worst option, but in general I think they can sniff out the nuts when you take a nutted line.

The AK hand: I bet/folded....I forgot I put in the action to see if people would even bet, cause I almost checked back. I bet, he shoved.

Back to the JT hand: They need to click call with a lot more than AQ/AK:

Board: Jh Ts Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.975% 52.31% 00.67% 39873 509.50 { JdTd }
Hand 1: 47.025% 46.36% 00.67% 35338 509.50 { AA, JJ-TT, AQs+, KTs+, QTs+, AQo+, KTo+, QTo+ }

Bit of a silly spot.

utg is 9/9/0 over 11 hands.
utg+2 is 11/0/0 over 18 hands.
villain on btn is 19/16/11.1 over 43 hands. Note that this is after the hand played, so in-game his stats looked tighter.

Looking at it now I prolly would've called, not sure though.
Any thoughts? Way too nitty here?


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CO: $94.55
BTN: $105.95
SB: $47.60
Hero (BB): $101.50
UTG: $99.00
UTG+1: $100.00
UTG+2: $101.95
MP1: $97.05
MP2: $109.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $3.50, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $3.50, 2 folds, CO raises to $94.55, 5 folds

I'd fold. You still have to worry about UTG, and people can ship AA/KK here...You have blockers to AQ, and JJ/AJ/etc is pretty unlikely. Ur hoping for AK, which ur only flipping with.

Villain is 15/11/0 over 76 hands. Postflop aggression is 29/0/50. (the 50 is obv heavily weighted due to this hand).
BTN is solid reg with 17/13/5.7 over 1.5k hands, postflop aggression 52/35/21.

What's my best line on the river? I was honestly considering all 3 options.


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UTG: $122.75
UTG+1: $130.30
UTG+2: $176.35
Hero (MP1): $107.85
MP2: $43.00
CO: $113.50
BTN: $264.70
SB: $152.60
BB: $85.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP1 with 6 6
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 2 folds, BTN calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) 4 6 Q (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50, BTN folds

Turn: ($31.50) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $21.00, UTG+1 calls $21

River: ($73.50) J (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $34.00, Hero calls $34

Devin
AK: when this time is right flatting can be so sexy here. River is kinda interesting, either he's thinking **** my AX is no good or muahaha I'm gonna check/raise/rape this fool with my boat. I think I'd go with a sizeable b/f, don't think most people go with the tricky route here.

QT: I bet the flop sometimes, but mostly play the same. River I fold

JT: Raising flop stinks imo call call call. I fold river too, don't think I like bluff raising.

65: Like your line again, I flat river.



Deurdy
QQ: Eh I could go either way, but I think I'm calling

66: Well it certainly looks like he has JJ I flat the river, I mean the only thing that really makes sense to me is JJ maaaaybe QJ yet I can't find a fold