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In this hand I make a bit of a loose preflop call. However, both the pfr and the button are bad.

UTG is 34/18/1.3 and really hates folding.
BTN is 30/9/3 and is obviously terrible.
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BTN: $469.75
Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $203.00
UTG: $306.36
CO: $414.03

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with 5

UTG raises to $6, 1 fold, BTN calls $6, Hero calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($20.00) 3

(3 players)
Hero ????

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03-30-2010 , 03:50 PM

#5952

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MP is 37/24 and playing a half stack. Is most likely very bad, but not sure if he can actually manage his aggression or not.

SB has been tight. 18/10. Playing lots of tables, but I've never seen him before.

I didn't notice SB had flatted, or my squeeze would have been bigger.

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CO: $226.00
BTN: $231.00
SB: $310.45
Hero (BB): $373.85
UTG: $204.25
MP: $138.35

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with K

1 fold, MP raises to $7, 2 folds, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, SB calls $17

Flop: ($55.00) 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($55.00) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $40.00, SB calls $40

River: ($135.00) Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???? (247 behind)

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03-30-2010 , 03:51 PM

#5953

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At the time of this hand, my hud wasn't working. Which means no stats and no notes. But, my 'feeling' about how this guy plays is he tries to win most pots when he vpips.
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Hero (MP): $297.54
CO: $352.15
BTN: $143.70
SB: $126.70
BB: $200.00
UTG: $320.65

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, CO calls $6, 3 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 3 6 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.00, CO calls $12

Turn: ($39.00) A (2 players)
Hero bets $30.00, CO raises to $75, Hero ???? (I have ~$280 total here)

I would flat the turn and pretty much plan on flatting all non heart rivers (except possibly a 7) unless I fill up.

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03-30-2010 , 04:13 PM

#5954

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Originally Posted by DevinLake

1 fold, MP raises to $7, 2 folds, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, SB calls $17

Flop: ($55.00) 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($55.00) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $40.00, SB calls $40

River: ($135.00) Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???? (247 behind)

Wow, what a weird spot. Based on your read his only holdings that make any sense to me are AQ,99, and maybe JT of spades - but I doubt someone this tight calls your preflop 3-bet with JT, although I guess it's possible since you bet smaller not realizing he flatted the open.

I kind of feel silly narrowing his range that much but honestly I can't account for other hands by the river. Maybe 33 that he was going to try and c/r on the flop I suppose....

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03-30-2010 , 04:43 PM

#5955

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he's going to pay you with TsTx and JsJx and he shouldn't have AQ in his range often. Only hand that beats you is 99, i def bet river 4 value

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03-30-2010 , 05:40 PM

#5956

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Originally Posted by Rebellz

he's going to pay you with TsTx and JsJx and he shouldn't have AQ in his range often. Only hand that beats you is 99, i def bet river 4 value

with a plan to fold to or call a shove?

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03-30-2010 , 05:55 PM

#5957

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1. Yeah, p. much what jbrochu said. 4-betting turn has to be bad here.

2. I go for a c/c line on the flop. Were you thinking of check-raising? You could donk/call I guess :S

3. I think this is an excellent spot to bet/fold 1/3rd of pot, we get paid off by Ts as well as Js probably
Would be hard pressed to find a multitabling 18/10 who jams it without the goods if you bet 1/3 - 1/2 pot here

...if he called turn to boat up, we'll know by the river
C/C doesn't seem to be an option

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03-30-2010 , 06:00 PM

#5958

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Originally Posted by Rebellz

he's going to pay you with TsTx and JsJx and he shouldn't have AQ in his range often. Only hand that beats you is 99, i def bet river 4 value

What about 33 esp as SB and hero have > 100BB ?

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03-30-2010 , 06:16 PM

#5959

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Originally Posted by ger664

What about 33 esp as SB and hero have > 100BB ?

33 is leading out a lot on that flop, but ofc can be in the range too.

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Originally Posted by DevinLake

with a plan to fold to or call a shove?

I'm prob puke folding unless you have history or you saw him made some spazz cts' moves.

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03-30-2010 , 08:23 PM

#5960

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Devin AA,

I think you should call turn, and check/shove river when he bets...and he will given your read. There will be a little more than pot left on the river, he may just shove it all in himself. A heart on the river would be a ch/fold. But I think he's using the Ace as a way to scare you and he'll have to continue his story if he wants to win this pot, and he could think his own Ace is good and might value bet it on the river.

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03-30-2010 , 08:29 PM

#5961

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Devin 45s

OK, so loose call... Your equity vs any overpair and even sets is pretty decent (3:2) 4's may be dirty but that's only if they'll continue w/ Ax. I'd bet/3bet here repping stronger overpairs than they would have. I'd actually prefer if they raised, so I like a small lead to induce, and if they don't then that's great too.

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03-30-2010 , 08:35 PM

#5962

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Devin KK

Bet to get value from some spade like JsJ, TsT? Probably something smallish, and puke if raised, then fold.

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03-30-2010 , 09:13 PM

#5963

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Originally Posted by Rebellz

he's going to pay you with TsTx and JsJx and he shouldn't have AQ in his range often. Only hand that beats you is 99, i def bet river 4 value

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Originally Posted by ger664

What about 33 esp as SB and hero have > 100BB ?

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Originally Posted by Rebellz

33 is leading out a lot on that flop, but ofc can be in the range too.

I'm prob puke folding unless you have history or you saw him made some spazz cts' moves.

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Devin KK

Bet to get value from some spade like JsJ, TsT? Probably something smallish, and puke if raised, then fold.

I talked with devin about the KK hand a bit on aim earlier and told him to post it here. My thoughts were once we get to river it's tough but I really would prefer a check, because we're only going to get more value from JsJx and possibly TsTx, but we're going to be in a really sick spot that we might not be able to get away from if we get check raised. Theres only 1, MAYBE 2 hands that will pay us off and a couple combos of 33, 99, AQ and perhaps even AA that could pwn us if we bet. Bet/call and bet/fold both seem like an inferior play to make in order to get one more street from maybe 2 hands.

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03-31-2010 , 12:04 AM

#5964

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I was thinking this could be a product of the stakes I play. I think at the uNL stakes betting the end (AFTER he has checked again on this hand) will get calls from worse (ZOMG Flush!!). Not to mention these players will almost always be leading with 33 on flop or river or leading 99 on the river (ZOMG FH!!).

Whereas that tendency might dissolve as we move up and you'll see better hand readers and a player will not be making these calls w/ worse and will check a full-house knowing the range Devin will show up with...and checking is best there.

I'd say an 18/10 player at either stakes is going to play very straight forward.

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03-31-2010 , 09:55 AM

#5965

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Villain is a pretty standard nitreg. I'm never quite sure what to do this deep with KK. I obv don't want to get it in PF and I don't think there is a spot on that board where I want to get it in. Still I feel like I'm missing value.

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SB ($49.50)
BB ($73.25)
Hero (UTG) ($93.83)
UTG+1 ($51.02)
MP1 ($120.93)
MP2 ($10.25)
CO ($50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

Hero bets $2.50, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $7, 5 folds, Hero calls $4.50

Flop: ($15.25) 3

, 4

, 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($35.25) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $23, Hero calls $23

River: ($81.25) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

Total pot: $81.25 | Rake: $3

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03-31-2010 , 12:52 PM

#5966

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Why won't you get it in w/ KK, because a standard nitreg won't get it in w/ QQ or AK, right? And a standard nitreg doesn't 3bet an UTG 5x w/ JJ or AQ, right?

Then you played this hand perfectly imo, since you will always 100% be WA/WB w/ villain drawing to 2 outs on average (of course a 234 flop gives AK 4 more outs, but that's rare).

What are you doing if villain bets the river for $45?

I'm curious about 4bet/folding PF. If villain will never stack off w QQ, if you 4bet, folding would be correct, but puts us in a goofy spot if he were to flat.

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03-31-2010 , 01:14 PM

#5967

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KB...I think it's fine if you don't think he'll get it in for 188bb with worse than AA.

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03-31-2010 , 03:41 PM

#5968

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KB I love everything about the way you played that hand vs a fr nit reg

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04-01-2010 , 10:07 AM

#5969

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Villain 6 hands and he's 60/0/1.0
Anything else I can do on the turn?
I also typically wouldn't bet quite so big on flop but he's already shown a tendency to call passively. Is bet sizing standard or do you vary it on this kind of flop?

Hand #1
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Hero (MP): $52.65
CO: $52.10
BTN: $50.00
SB: $27.15
BB: $50.00
UTG: $25.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with K

1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($9.50) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.50) A

(2 players)
SB bets $4.50, Hero...

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04-01-2010 , 10:08 AM

#5970

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Hand #2

Villain is 45/30/2.0 over 60 hands or so, no other notes.

I was thinking turn I should b/f.

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BB: $60.15
Hero (CO): $61.35
BTN: $59.40
SB: $28.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with A

Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.75, BTN calls $2.75

Turn: ($9.25) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($9.25) A

(2 players)
Hero... bet or check? then call or fold if raised. sizing?

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04-01-2010 , 10:24 AM

#5971

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Hand 1 seems fine to me. I like the near PSB since we want to tax all the hands we are ahead of. Oh and fold river imo.

Hand 2 b/f seems good. I don't think he'll raise you with a worse 2p on the river and that's the only way to really butcher this hand. I think all the junk out there turns any 2p or TP hand for him into a medium strength hand and most guys at this level can't turn that into a bluff. c/c may work if he is aggro on the riv but I think I prefer to control the sizing here and make a 1/2 to 3/4 pot bet instead of checking then eating a full PSB.

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04-01-2010 , 01:03 PM

#5972

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Hand 1: I play it the same but call river. Good price and 60/0's like to bet if you check.

Hand 2: I'd probably check the turn. I lot of pair+stuff just improved to better hands than our, so we really only looking to get action for Tx, which we can still maybe get value from on the river. We definitely do not want to get another two streets of value here.

As played, I'd bet/fold the river. I can't see him raising a worse 2pr, and there isn't much in his flop calling range that he'll turn into a bluff.

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04-03-2010 , 02:36 AM

#5973

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No reads, this is rush, I have 1 hand on villain.

Is this fine? I feel like his flop raise is bluffy or maybe for protection. It's too big to be a value raise imo bc I'm going to be forced to fold so often. I think I'm ahead now but there's going to be alot of potentially bad turn cards, flatting here and being OOP on the turn where he's probably going to shove any card doesn't seem like a spot I want to be in.

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Hero (CO): $52.10
BTN: $35.55
SB: $105.95
BB: $71.85
UTG: $69.35

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with A

2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.00, BTN raises to $12.75, Hero raises to $50.60,

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04-03-2010 , 03:15 AM

#5974

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Bleh readless I'm pitching b/c flatting sucks but I'm not very good with how aggro 6m is nor am I familiar with how rush plays. If its as aggro as I've been made to believe I think a better line is to flat and check shove a blank turn for more value.